Straight Question For Zacs And The Other Remainiacs...

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Ignoring all the dilly dallying since June 23rd. Do you personally think that ultimately the result of the referendum should be implemented?

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EDDIE51

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Yes.

12:19 Sun 13th Nov 2016

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Zacs-Master

How can you ignore it? As I've said in answering your Q to me on my post, a LEGAL RULING (not dilly-dallying) has changed the whole landscape of Brexit.
I can see your frustration as a leave voter but, as I've said countless times, the legality of Brexit was never 100% nailed-on and this was evident prior to the vote.

anneasquith

Link? Where's the news ?

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ok call it a hypothetical question then.....
Country X had a referendum on June 23rd, should the result be respected?

TTG

Yes it should be respected otherwise what's the point of democracy?

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The legal ruling is about debating A50 and approving it in Parliament. Nothing to do with respecting the original decision. so that is a separate issue. i am trying to determine if remainers are willing to ignore the result to get their own way.

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You see TTG gets it..... Gawd help us, the remianers are as slippery as greased eels! you can't get a straight answer to a straight question out of them.

Zacs-Master

This is from June 16th Tora from a well respected legal firm. The bit about individuals and pressure groups relating to the law is interesting:
http://www.eversheds.com/documents/services/competition/privacy_information_law_Brexit.pdf

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I feel like Paxo trying to get Michael Howerd to answer a straight question!

joggerjayne

The referendum should be ignored. It was just a glorified opinion poll.

If parliament always implemented what the majority want, we would have capital punishment, no income tax, and a speed limit of 90mph.

When did those of us who voted to stay become "Remainiacs" (which sounds slightly mad and obsessive) ... and those who voted to leave become "Brexiteers" (which sounds bold, and swashbuckling)?

Zacs-Master

You're not asking a straight question tho are you. I can't answer whether I think that 'ultimately' the result should be implemented as we're in a great state of flux. Your question from yesterday Tora:

will you answer a straight question zacs:
Do you think the result of the referendum should be respected?

My reply:
I thought that was patently obvious and I hadn't realised you'd asked me that direct. No I don't. Straight enough answer?

joggerjayne

The PM should say ...

"Thanks for the input, guys ... but we are staying in the EU. If you don't like it, vote me out at the next election."

She would win the next election easily.

The Brexit voters are not going to take to the streets, because most of them were OAPs.

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I respect your honesty JJ but referendums are rare and they should be respected. Those other subjects have not and should not be the subjects of referendums. I agree mostly that we elect the government to govern but when a question of fundamental destiny is put to the people it should be respected. So you are prepared to ignore the democratic will of the people, is that just because you personally disagree with them?

THECORBYLOON

TTT, had the decision gone the other way, what would your reaction have been? Oh, that's right, the Remainers were traitors and collaborators...

joggerjayne

Given the demographic of the voters ...

(it was the oldest voters who tipped the balance)

... in years to come, the majority who are still alive will have wanted to be in the EU.

It would be a betrayal of those future generations, and blind short-term thinking, to implement Brexit.

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ZM: well silly me I thought your answer "No I don't" was to my question "Do you think the result of the referendum should be respected? " - talk about wriggle!

Zacs-Master

OMG. Your asking me the same questions as yesterday. I answered:

I don't give a fig whether the public respect my view. My view is irrelevant.

Tora- it's just a simple matter of believing that the law should be upheld really. It's as simple as that. Stop trying to make it personal.

I then went on to say:

I Want to ignore the will of the people because the process of the result has been (subject to an appeal or two) proven to be unfounded in law thereby making the will of the people irrelevant. I've said this around half a dozen times now on here.

Do you have any comment on my link to the eversheds info from befrore the vote, or does that not fit in with your utopian idealistic viewpoint?

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well that is at least a constructive explanation of your flawed position JJ. The young can re join when the inconvenient old have died off. The problem is though that the whole EU is like the Titanic and brexit was the ice berg. It'll will inevitably sink so they won't have anything to join.