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Just heard that Ruth Davidson had given birth to a boy. The Scottish Conservative leader tweeted on Friday afternoon that she and her partner Jen Wilson named the child Finn Paul Davidson. He weighed 10lb 1.5oz. Not quite sure how I feel about this but wish wee Finn a long and happy life.
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Deskdairy - // But why is it so wrong to hold the opinion that the best environment for a child is a mother and father? //
It's not wrong to hold any opinion, but in my view, the popular belief that a man and a woman are the best parental combination for a child cannot be put forward as a uniform template for everyone.
Prior to modern times, this was the accepted norm, from a time when no-one actually questioned the idea - but in these days, when same-sex relationships are far more open and accepted than they ever were previously, then same-sex relationships with children become far more prevalent, and the old order is challenged.
From personal experience, the family I grew up in, with the 'normal' set-up of a mother and father was a horrible dysfunctional environment from which I was delighted to be liberated.
My view therefore is that a mother and father for a child is the norm, but it not the best simply because it is the norm.
It's not wrong to hold any opinion, but in my view, the popular belief that a man and a woman are the best parental combination for a child cannot be put forward as a uniform template for everyone.
Prior to modern times, this was the accepted norm, from a time when no-one actually questioned the idea - but in these days, when same-sex relationships are far more open and accepted than they ever were previously, then same-sex relationships with children become far more prevalent, and the old order is challenged.
From personal experience, the family I grew up in, with the 'normal' set-up of a mother and father was a horrible dysfunctional environment from which I was delighted to be liberated.
My view therefore is that a mother and father for a child is the norm, but it not the best simply because it is the norm.
SparklyKid - // SparklyKid - This thread is about Ruth Davidson and her new baby and *not* about whether, or not, you are a step-parent or are feeling miffed.
12:04 Sat 27th Oct 2018
Tell that to AH, he started this step parent definition going. //
I did not 'start anything going ...' I challenged your status as a stepfather when you advised that both your wife's children had left home before you married, and then later, you amended that to read that one was at home and one had left.
I can only debate based on the information posted - if you want to change the information, then fine, but that does not make it my fault if you posted incorrectly in the first place.
As jack advised - the accepted definition of a step-parent is one who is in a family unit raising one or more children with one of the biological parents of said children.
Hopefully that clears that up, and we can get back to the thread.
12:04 Sat 27th Oct 2018
Tell that to AH, he started this step parent definition going. //
I did not 'start anything going ...' I challenged your status as a stepfather when you advised that both your wife's children had left home before you married, and then later, you amended that to read that one was at home and one had left.
I can only debate based on the information posted - if you want to change the information, then fine, but that does not make it my fault if you posted incorrectly in the first place.
As jack advised - the accepted definition of a step-parent is one who is in a family unit raising one or more children with one of the biological parents of said children.
Hopefully that clears that up, and we can get back to the thread.
Now that lesbians can no longer sue the friends who donated sperm for maintenance, I have little interest in what they get up to.
I think it's probably too early to know if any long term damage is caused to children with same sex parents.
Can't help noticing, though, that the people who embrace the 'brave new world' most eagerly and, in some cases, pour scorn on the 'traditional' family are often the victims of a dysfunctional childhood.
Makes sense, I suppose.
I think it's probably too early to know if any long term damage is caused to children with same sex parents.
Can't help noticing, though, that the people who embrace the 'brave new world' most eagerly and, in some cases, pour scorn on the 'traditional' family are often the victims of a dysfunctional childhood.
Makes sense, I suppose.
Spicerack - // I think it's probably too early to know if any long term damage is caused to children with same sex parents. //
Indeed so, but the undercurrent running through the thread from some posters is that there must be damage as a matter of course, because the 'man / woman' template is not being followed, so there has to be something wrong purely on that basis.
That of course is bigoted nasty narrow-minded nonsense.
// Can't help noticing, though, that the people who embrace the 'brave new world' most eagerly and, in some cases, pour scorn on the 'traditional' family are often the victims of a dysfunctional childhood.
Makes sense, I suppose. //
I do not embrace the 'brave new world' as you rather bafflingly put it. This is our world and ot constantly changes as it always has and always will, there is nothing 'brave new world' abous simple social evolution.
I for one do not pour scorn on the 'traditional family' at all - merely my own.
Indeed so, but the undercurrent running through the thread from some posters is that there must be damage as a matter of course, because the 'man / woman' template is not being followed, so there has to be something wrong purely on that basis.
That of course is bigoted nasty narrow-minded nonsense.
// Can't help noticing, though, that the people who embrace the 'brave new world' most eagerly and, in some cases, pour scorn on the 'traditional' family are often the victims of a dysfunctional childhood.
Makes sense, I suppose. //
I do not embrace the 'brave new world' as you rather bafflingly put it. This is our world and ot constantly changes as it always has and always will, there is nothing 'brave new world' abous simple social evolution.
I for one do not pour scorn on the 'traditional family' at all - merely my own.
SparklyKid - // Can't help noticing, though, that the people who embrace the 'brave new world' most eagerly and, in some cases, pour scorn on the 'traditional' family are often the victims of a dysfunctional childhood.
Makes sense, I suppose.
15:43 Sat 27th Oct 2018
Yes. Agreed. //
Please read my post at 15:50, which offers an alternative viewpoint.
Makes sense, I suppose.
15:43 Sat 27th Oct 2018
Yes. Agreed. //
Please read my post at 15:50, which offers an alternative viewpoint.
I did not 'start anything going ...' I challenged your status as a stepfather when you advised that both your wife's children had left home before you married, and then later, you amended that to read that one was at home and one had left.
One married and one at university.
AH, how dare you challenge my status as a step father.
One married and one at university.
AH, how dare you challenge my status as a step father.
SparklyKid - // I did not 'start anything going ...' I challenged your status as a stepfather when you advised that both your wife's children had left home before you married, and then later, you amended that to read that one was at home and one had left.
One married and one at university.
AH, how dare you challenge my status as a step father. //
For someone who misunderstood my post and flounced off, you seem to be providing an awful lot more input!!!
That said, your personal family circumstances are of no interest to me, and of no relevance to this debate.
I 'dare challenge your status as a step father' as you somewhat hysterically phrase it, because challenge is the essence of debate, and no 'daring' is required I assume you.
If you wish to refer to yourself as a step father, you go right ahead, I don't think anyone really cares to pursue it any further - certainly not I.
So - back to the thread.
One married and one at university.
AH, how dare you challenge my status as a step father. //
For someone who misunderstood my post and flounced off, you seem to be providing an awful lot more input!!!
That said, your personal family circumstances are of no interest to me, and of no relevance to this debate.
I 'dare challenge your status as a step father' as you somewhat hysterically phrase it, because challenge is the essence of debate, and no 'daring' is required I assume you.
If you wish to refer to yourself as a step father, you go right ahead, I don't think anyone really cares to pursue it any further - certainly not I.
So - back to the thread.
Rockrose - // I would rather be brought up in this modern style family than one where it is ok to pour scorn and bigotry on others //
As would I - but we are where we are - wishing better circumstances for others, where only love and respect are the prime requirements, and not necessarily a standard gender mix template.
As would I - but we are where we are - wishing better circumstances for others, where only love and respect are the prime requirements, and not necessarily a standard gender mix template.
How do you know that there aren't any male figures for wee Finn to bond with? There are bound to be grandpa's and uncles, friends, cousins, etc. I am sure that the couple have a wide circle.
I was married and my husband did nothing with our two children and it was left to me. He even refused to look after them if I had to go out.
I have no problem with the wee soul having gay parents (why it should matter I don't know), my problem is that the wee one will be brought up a Tory. That will be far more damaging to his spiritual wellbeing
I was married and my husband did nothing with our two children and it was left to me. He even refused to look after them if I had to go out.
I have no problem with the wee soul having gay parents (why it should matter I don't know), my problem is that the wee one will be brought up a Tory. That will be far more damaging to his spiritual wellbeing
Well if all goes to plan the Davidson/Wilson family will possibly get quite complicated in the future. Apparently the partner wants a child and they plan to use the same donor(I can't remember where I read this). If they do then that will mean the children will be half-siblings . Different sets of blood grandparents/relatives if each lesbian adopts the other's child. It will be a bit complicated doing a family tree.
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