When Did You Last Go To A Newsagents?
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I Wonder If Their Community Will Hand These Two Pieces Of Scum In?
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They are quite recognisable, so let's hope so.
They are quite recognisable, so let's hope so.
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It's not a "hate battle" JD, I'm sure at least one of them is a gentleman ;-)
AOG comes out with a LOT of inflammatory stuff mostly gleaned from the Daily Mail and mostly about 'foreigners' and AH is someone who challenges it.
AH's responses are rational, polite and far less hot headed than (for example) mine. I admire the amount of work and thought he puts into it.
Sure AOG can argue "just expressing my opinion" but couldn't others also say "yes, and so am I". To be denied the right to challenge someones extreme views would be very dictatorial IMO.
AOG comes out with a LOT of inflammatory stuff mostly gleaned from the Daily Mail and mostly about 'foreigners' and AH is someone who challenges it.
AH's responses are rational, polite and far less hot headed than (for example) mine. I admire the amount of work and thought he puts into it.
Sure AOG can argue "just expressing my opinion" but couldn't others also say "yes, and so am I". To be denied the right to challenge someones extreme views would be very dictatorial IMO.
The News section is my favourite and time and again threads get spoiled by the same few. Interesting threads get ruined and there is no need for it because all the people involved are perfectly capable of carrying a decent debate. It's when they get together that the trouble starts and it seems they can't help themselves. I find myself spending less and less time here which I'm sure won't bother anybody. Just saying ...
Well I think you're just being too sensitive. I've seen many debate type threads become heated only to cool off again later, I don't think there's anything condemnable about that. It's often like that in real life, these are processes and if they're left to run their natural course, they usually come out with decisions and opinions having been settled. Even if it's just to 'agree to disagree'.
I think Answerprancer has the right handle on this.
There are a number of people on the News Section – and I am certainly one of them – who hold strong opinions and enjoy expressing them, sometimes at length. At the same time, there are some AB’ers who simply rub each other up the wrong way, and some arguments start.
I would say that I don’t start an argument, but if I am challenged, I will fight my corner – but there are others who would say exactly the same thing.
I honestly do try not to get drawn into specific exchanges, but sometimes it is hard to, especially if I feel I am being insulted, or accused of being unfair in moderation.
It’s just the way News is – has been for a while now – the rules are the same as everyone else – if you like a bit of a fight, step in and join us, if not, stand on the sides and watch, and if it bores or annoys you, don’t hang around.
See you all tomorrow.
There are a number of people on the News Section – and I am certainly one of them – who hold strong opinions and enjoy expressing them, sometimes at length. At the same time, there are some AB’ers who simply rub each other up the wrong way, and some arguments start.
I would say that I don’t start an argument, but if I am challenged, I will fight my corner – but there are others who would say exactly the same thing.
I honestly do try not to get drawn into specific exchanges, but sometimes it is hard to, especially if I feel I am being insulted, or accused of being unfair in moderation.
It’s just the way News is – has been for a while now – the rules are the same as everyone else – if you like a bit of a fight, step in and join us, if not, stand on the sides and watch, and if it bores or annoys you, don’t hang around.
See you all tomorrow.
AOG
You wrote:
Can one believe these two pieces of scum, these savages, are getting such support from some on this site? Blaming a law abiding 87year old lady for poking here nose in matters, that didn't concern her.
We felt the same when you went out of your way to support the Chelsea racists.
I think you must know how we felt at the time, because you must be feeling the same right now.
You wrote:
Can one believe these two pieces of scum, these savages, are getting such support from some on this site? Blaming a law abiding 87year old lady for poking here nose in matters, that didn't concern her.
We felt the same when you went out of your way to support the Chelsea racists.
I think you must know how we felt at the time, because you must be feeling the same right now.
AOG
I'll say the one thing that I find surprising is that we both can't see this from the other's point of view...or rather - I don't think you quite see what I can see.
I agree that these two girls were thugs....but what some of us don't understand is that you don't seem to be able to bring yourself to condemn thuggish disgusting behaviour when the perpetrator is white.
As one of the longest serving members of AB, I understand where you're coming from.
Your agenda is to highlight the wrongs of blacks, Asians and gays when we step out of line.
No problem with that - it's just that it means that you sometimes have to take opposing stances when aggressors are white.
Again - that is TOTALLY your prerogative, and I understand that it's not in your remit to be equitable.
It just means that whenever you post something critical of anyone who doesn't fall into your 'sphere of acceptability', some of us will be taking your posts with a pinch of salt.
Incidentally, I absolutely believe that you will occasionally post critical OPs about people who aren't necessarily Asian, black or gay - and accept that sometimes, you have to deal with 'slow news days'.
I'll say the one thing that I find surprising is that we both can't see this from the other's point of view...or rather - I don't think you quite see what I can see.
I agree that these two girls were thugs....but what some of us don't understand is that you don't seem to be able to bring yourself to condemn thuggish disgusting behaviour when the perpetrator is white.
As one of the longest serving members of AB, I understand where you're coming from.
Your agenda is to highlight the wrongs of blacks, Asians and gays when we step out of line.
No problem with that - it's just that it means that you sometimes have to take opposing stances when aggressors are white.
Again - that is TOTALLY your prerogative, and I understand that it's not in your remit to be equitable.
It just means that whenever you post something critical of anyone who doesn't fall into your 'sphere of acceptability', some of us will be taking your posts with a pinch of salt.
Incidentally, I absolutely believe that you will occasionally post critical OPs about people who aren't necessarily Asian, black or gay - and accept that sometimes, you have to deal with 'slow news days'.
sp1814
I wasn't going to reply to you since you were the one who turned a savage attack on an frail 87 year old who happened to be white (I think) by two pieces of scum who happened to be black, into some kind of comparison with a racist verbal attack and slight body contact by drunken football supporters who were white on an adult middle age male who happened to be black.
And if anyone seems to think that the two are on an equal footing needs to get their priorities in order. Had the old lady been black and the the two teenagers white, I would have have outlined my concerns just the same and also used the same terminology to describe the attackers, but I don't know if I would have had the chance to be the first one to post such a thread, because I am sure there would have been many in there first, for some strange reason.
/// I agree that these two girls were thugs....but what some of us don't understand is that you don't seem to be able to bring yourself to condemn thuggish disgusting behaviour when the perpetrator is white. ///
That is completely untrue, and just the thinking that comes from having a huge chip on your shoulders, it seems that it all about attacks on blacks, homosexuals, etc. and this is partially to blame from those (mainly whites) who have set themselves up to be offended for others, and of course those two ever embracing letters PC.
Strange though how you lumped homosexuals into the argument, it couldn't be that you have a particular agenda to fulfil could it? But since you bring them into the argument, once again the gay lobby themselves who are the ones constantly attracting controversy, by their constant moaning on how poorly they are treated, and demanding certain rights, that non-gays would also be pleased to receive.
/// Your agenda is to highlight the wrongs of blacks, Asians and gays when we step out of line. ///
I have no particular agenda as you accuse me of having, or at least no more than others on this site. if it wasn't for the extreme numbers of crimes committed by Blacks (stabbings/shootings/assults) and the nationwide Asian child grooming gangs which all get regular reported on by the media, which in turn attract very long popular debates on this site, then the news site would be pretty dull.
/// Again - that is TOTALLY your prerogative, and I understand that it's not in your remit to be equitable. ///
That perhaps is my problem I am always seeking a level playing field, which has already pointed out, we don't get due to PC and the fact that some don't care for ethnic minorities to be criticised or shown anyway in a bad light.
/// It just means that whenever you post something critical of anyone who doesn't fall into your 'sphere of acceptability', some of us will be taking your posts with a pinch of salt. ///
Well apparently not, since this thread alone as attracted almost 200 post to date, and that is one huge pinch of salt in anyone's estimation.
I wasn't going to reply to you since you were the one who turned a savage attack on an frail 87 year old who happened to be white (I think) by two pieces of scum who happened to be black, into some kind of comparison with a racist verbal attack and slight body contact by drunken football supporters who were white on an adult middle age male who happened to be black.
And if anyone seems to think that the two are on an equal footing needs to get their priorities in order. Had the old lady been black and the the two teenagers white, I would have have outlined my concerns just the same and also used the same terminology to describe the attackers, but I don't know if I would have had the chance to be the first one to post such a thread, because I am sure there would have been many in there first, for some strange reason.
/// I agree that these two girls were thugs....but what some of us don't understand is that you don't seem to be able to bring yourself to condemn thuggish disgusting behaviour when the perpetrator is white. ///
That is completely untrue, and just the thinking that comes from having a huge chip on your shoulders, it seems that it all about attacks on blacks, homosexuals, etc. and this is partially to blame from those (mainly whites) who have set themselves up to be offended for others, and of course those two ever embracing letters PC.
Strange though how you lumped homosexuals into the argument, it couldn't be that you have a particular agenda to fulfil could it? But since you bring them into the argument, once again the gay lobby themselves who are the ones constantly attracting controversy, by their constant moaning on how poorly they are treated, and demanding certain rights, that non-gays would also be pleased to receive.
/// Your agenda is to highlight the wrongs of blacks, Asians and gays when we step out of line. ///
I have no particular agenda as you accuse me of having, or at least no more than others on this site. if it wasn't for the extreme numbers of crimes committed by Blacks (stabbings/shootings/assults) and the nationwide Asian child grooming gangs which all get regular reported on by the media, which in turn attract very long popular debates on this site, then the news site would be pretty dull.
/// Again - that is TOTALLY your prerogative, and I understand that it's not in your remit to be equitable. ///
That perhaps is my problem I am always seeking a level playing field, which has already pointed out, we don't get due to PC and the fact that some don't care for ethnic minorities to be criticised or shown anyway in a bad light.
/// It just means that whenever you post something critical of anyone who doesn't fall into your 'sphere of acceptability', some of us will be taking your posts with a pinch of salt. ///
Well apparently not, since this thread alone as attracted almost 200 post to date, and that is one huge pinch of salt in anyone's estimation.
AOG - // wasn't going to reply to you since you were the one who turned a savage attack on an frail 87 year old who happened to be white (I think) by two pieces of scum who happened to be black, into some kind of comparison with a racist verbal attack and slight body contact by drunken football supporters who were white on an adult middle age male who happened to be black. //
I have opined previously - and been ignored by you - that you are failing to grasp the point the sp is making here.
There is no comparison between the two situations, the hooligans and the old lady - and sp has not suggested that there is one - and that is not the essence of his point.
SP's query is why you spent so long attempting to find a defence / justification for the actions of the hooligans, which went on for most of a day, and yet on this OP, you condemned the actions of the two girls without question.
That is the question that sp raised - it is a query about your responses to both situations - NOT a comparison between the situations - when clearly there isn't one to be made.
I hope that helps to illuminate the issue we are actually discussing here.
I have opined previously - and been ignored by you - that you are failing to grasp the point the sp is making here.
There is no comparison between the two situations, the hooligans and the old lady - and sp has not suggested that there is one - and that is not the essence of his point.
SP's query is why you spent so long attempting to find a defence / justification for the actions of the hooligans, which went on for most of a day, and yet on this OP, you condemned the actions of the two girls without question.
That is the question that sp raised - it is a query about your responses to both situations - NOT a comparison between the situations - when clearly there isn't one to be made.
I hope that helps to illuminate the issue we are actually discussing here.
AOG - //Do as you tell others to do, let sp1814 speak for himself.
Had you had done that in the first place this thread would have exhausted itself long ago. //
If every poster is only ever allowed to respond to a post directed by you to him or herself, that will make it the AOG section - not the News Section - so while there are no hard and fast rules about who replies to whom, and in the interest of fairness and inclusion, I am happy to put my response in to your point - as you do when posts are written to others than yourself.
That's how The AB works - always has, always will.
Instead of picking a fight with me - again - why don't you answer the point that SP has made, and I have reiterated?
Had you had done that in the first place this thread would have exhausted itself long ago. //
If every poster is only ever allowed to respond to a post directed by you to him or herself, that will make it the AOG section - not the News Section - so while there are no hard and fast rules about who replies to whom, and in the interest of fairness and inclusion, I am happy to put my response in to your point - as you do when posts are written to others than yourself.
That's how The AB works - always has, always will.
Instead of picking a fight with me - again - why don't you answer the point that SP has made, and I have reiterated?
////.. by their constant moaning on how poorly they are treated, and demanding certain rights, that non-gays would also be pleased to receive...///
oooooo.....can you tell me what they are, please, just so that I can be sure that I can fulfill my 'militant demand quota' before the years end?
Many thanks.
oooooo.....can you tell me what they are, please, just so that I can be sure that I can fulfill my 'militant demand quota' before the years end?
Many thanks.
jack - //////.. by their constant moaning on how poorly they are treated, and demanding certain rights, that non-gays would also be pleased to receive...///
oooooo.....can you tell me what they are, please, just so that I can be sure that I can fulfill my 'militant demand quota' before the years end? //
Don't 'you people' know these things automatically? I am sure you should you know!!!
oooooo.....can you tell me what they are, please, just so that I can be sure that I can fulfill my 'militant demand quota' before the years end? //
Don't 'you people' know these things automatically? I am sure you should you know!!!
/// why don't you answer the point that SP has made, and I have reiterated? ///
As I have said countless times, because it has nothing to do whatsoever with the thread in question.
If you and sp1814 feel so strong about the diversion tactic he chose to use, then why don't you or sp1814 enter a thread voicing your concerns?
Seeing what a fair minded chap I am, i'll will even help you with the Question headline.
"Why is it just as serious to prevent another male from entering a carriage, while voicing racist chants, as it is for two youngsters to beat up an 87 year old female"?
As I have said countless times, because it has nothing to do whatsoever with the thread in question.
If you and sp1814 feel so strong about the diversion tactic he chose to use, then why don't you or sp1814 enter a thread voicing your concerns?
Seeing what a fair minded chap I am, i'll will even help you with the Question headline.
"Why is it just as serious to prevent another male from entering a carriage, while voicing racist chants, as it is for two youngsters to beat up an 87 year old female"?
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