ChatterBank1 min ago
Time For A Change From Finnigate Maybe........?
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I'm not excusing what he did, but he needs a job. Should he stay on the dole forever? If he got work as a road sweeper or in a chip shop, would we be bothered? Why shouldn't he work in a decent restaurant? It doesn't sound as if he is a habitual preyer on young girls, and he made a terrible mistake through lack of maturity.
02:08 Fri 17th Oct 2014
Slapshot - "Can't remember who said paedophilia was a choice? its becoming apparent the more I've read this week that rape or the culture of what rape is, forced sex, I a choice for some too."
I don't believe that paedophillia is a choice - it is at its core deviant behaviour based on pwer and control.
Rape however, is entirely a matter of choice, and that is why I have spent so long debating on the JF threads.
If society accepts that men have no control over their urges, and allowing them freedom to assault women if certain preconceived criteria are fullfilled - such as accompanying a man to a hotel room late at night - than that gives carte blanche for such men to carry on.
The message has to be that rape is avoidable in every single case, and no-one should be looking for even a hint of extenuating circumsstances.
I am increasingly inclined to think that this young man deserves a chance to turn his life around, and Jamie Oliver is to be applauded for facilitating it.
I don't believe that paedophillia is a choice - it is at its core deviant behaviour based on pwer and control.
Rape however, is entirely a matter of choice, and that is why I have spent so long debating on the JF threads.
If society accepts that men have no control over their urges, and allowing them freedom to assault women if certain preconceived criteria are fullfilled - such as accompanying a man to a hotel room late at night - than that gives carte blanche for such men to carry on.
The message has to be that rape is avoidable in every single case, and no-one should be looking for even a hint of extenuating circumsstances.
I am increasingly inclined to think that this young man deserves a chance to turn his life around, and Jamie Oliver is to be applauded for facilitating it.
It seems that what has rankled with those who actually know this chap, is that he has been boasting of his apprenticeship on FaceBook.
I have no way of knowing how his boasts are worded but that appears to have upset quite a few, who are maybe also in need of work.
In everything we read and learn of there are many layers within.
I have no way of knowing how his boasts are worded but that appears to have upset quite a few, who are maybe also in need of work.
In everything we read and learn of there are many layers within.
At 19 he was classed as an adult who has admitted he forced himself on a girl of 13 against her wish - a child. If one were that girl's parent one might not be so forgiving. Not necessarily does that make him a confirmed paedophile IMO but he was old enough to know what he was doing and it was seriously wrong. Other than that it's a shame others who are having a tough time without having been to prison are not able to get apprenticeships with the likes of Jamie Oliver.
Prudie - "At 19 he was classed as an adult who has admitted he forced himself on a girl of 13 against her wish - a child. Not necessarily does that make him a confirmed paedophile IMO but he was old enough to know what he was doing and it was seriously wrong.If one were that girl's parent one might not be so forgiving."
I would not argue at all with that position, save to say that the evidence revealed a level of imaturity - maybe that could be linked to his deviant behaviour.
I think it is fair to say that paedophillia carries an entire raft of motivations, some of them literally irreistable, whereas rape carries one motovation, and is entirely resitable.
Other than that it's a shame others who are having a tough time without having been to prison are not able to get apprenticeships with the likes of Jamie Oliver.
Again, absolutely no argument there either. I think Jamie Oliver is a shining example of someone who not only has the means to assist offenders in turning their lives around, but is willing to facilitate it. The wish may be there for plenty more - the willingness to move into action is obviously far less evident.
I would not argue at all with that position, save to say that the evidence revealed a level of imaturity - maybe that could be linked to his deviant behaviour.
I think it is fair to say that paedophillia carries an entire raft of motivations, some of them literally irreistable, whereas rape carries one motovation, and is entirely resitable.
Other than that it's a shame others who are having a tough time without having been to prison are not able to get apprenticeships with the likes of Jamie Oliver.
Again, absolutely no argument there either. I think Jamie Oliver is a shining example of someone who not only has the means to assist offenders in turning their lives around, but is willing to facilitate it. The wish may be there for plenty more - the willingness to move into action is obviously far less evident.
Slapshop, of course Jamie would have known of his past.
It would not be illegal for Jamie not to employ him. There are a limited amount of places on 15s training courses, he can't employ them all.
If you had sex at 14 with your 17 yo GF she would not be considered a paedophile. Your ages are too close.
And so often people forget what a paedophile is. It's someone who's attracted to prepubescent children. At 12 she could have been very well developed.
Not excusing him but I wouldn't write him off as a paedo. A rapist, yes, not a paedophile.
It would not be illegal for Jamie not to employ him. There are a limited amount of places on 15s training courses, he can't employ them all.
If you had sex at 14 with your 17 yo GF she would not be considered a paedophile. Your ages are too close.
And so often people forget what a paedophile is. It's someone who's attracted to prepubescent children. At 12 she could have been very well developed.
Not excusing him but I wouldn't write him off as a paedo. A rapist, yes, not a paedophile.
People would happily accept a homosexual working in a restaurant, so why not a paedophile?
Both homosexuality and paedophilia are sexual deviations, one being legal and the other illegal.
If you oppose the paedophile employed, then you should oppose the homosexual OR if you accept the homosexual, then you should accept the paedophile.
My opinion.
Both homosexuality and paedophilia are sexual deviations, one being legal and the other illegal.
If you oppose the paedophile employed, then you should oppose the homosexual OR if you accept the homosexual, then you should accept the paedophile.
My opinion.
Baldric - "//A rapist, yes, not a paedophile//
Ah, I see, well guess that'll be ok then!"
I don't imagine ummm was trying to say that one is less than the other, or indeed that either is remotely acceptable.
In the scheme of things - a paedophile is often acting on deep seated psychological damage which is unlikely to change, a rapist has acted on base instinct, and can be rehabilitated.
So altough both crimes are equally reprehensible, the second does offer some chance of redemtion, which Jamie Oliver is offering - the former probably will not.
It's difficult to dig down to the mechanincs of either crime, given the emotions they arouse in everyone, but it is none the less important that distinctions are made and acted upon where possible.
Ah, I see, well guess that'll be ok then!"
I don't imagine ummm was trying to say that one is less than the other, or indeed that either is remotely acceptable.
In the scheme of things - a paedophile is often acting on deep seated psychological damage which is unlikely to change, a rapist has acted on base instinct, and can be rehabilitated.
So altough both crimes are equally reprehensible, the second does offer some chance of redemtion, which Jamie Oliver is offering - the former probably will not.
It's difficult to dig down to the mechanincs of either crime, given the emotions they arouse in everyone, but it is none the less important that distinctions are made and acted upon where possible.
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