Time For A Change From Finnigate Maybe........?

[Bathsheba]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11166299/Jamie-Oliver-takes-on-paedophile-as-restaurant-apprentice.html

[SirOracle]

" If he re-offends he will go back to prison,but if he does not then he will be rehabilitated " Blackadder.

Not necessarily so.....a third possibility is that he continues to re-offend and is not caught.

How do you then feel about any other young victims?

[bunkmoreland]

so its the old question,would you trust him near your 12 year old? Really?

[Cloverjo]

How will he find any possible victims in a restaurant kitchen?

[SirOracle]

Cloverjo When I say medical condition I should have said that it is a mental condition which is incurable.

Young children have been known to visit restaurants.

[bunkmoreland]

you would be surprised the places children could be "Hi jacked" :-(

[Cloverjo]

Really? You think he'll grab a child from the restaurant and run off with her or follow her into the loo and do something? This is getting silly now. I'm off.

[SirOracle]

Nothing as straightforward as that. They tend to be a bit more subtle or devious.

[BlackadderV]

I agree with Clover

[andy-hughes]

BlackadderV - "If he reoffends he will go back to prison, but if not he will be rehabilitated."

But in order to put that plan into practice - young people are at risk, and what happens to the one or more young girls on whom he proves that he is still an active paedophile, and is sent back to prison?

I think this thread highlights the seriously difficult moral and ethical problem that exists around the potential rehabilitation of sex offenders.

On the one hand, society rightly wants to give offenders a chance to live a normal life when they have served their sentences, on the other, it risks the safety of children while it finds out if such people are safe in the suder community.

It is a very difficult situation, and I have to confess that I am unable to come to a rational decision.

[jakep]

Blackadder: many, many paedophiles are not 'dirty old men'. They are the ordinary looking husbands, brothers etc that are found everywhere.
That is why they are so successful.
Also, upsettingly, some are aided by women.

[mrs.chappie]

Personally I'd give this young man a chance, and I think Jamie Oliver's restaurant is an appropriate placement for him.

Am I right in thinking it's some sort of scheme for youngsters who would have difficulty finding employment due to past misdemeanors? (if that's the right word).

[andy-hughes]

mrs.chappie - "Am I right in thinking it's some sort of scheme for youngsters who would have difficulty finding employment due to past misdemeanors? (if that's the right word)."

I believe it is - and JO is to be applauded for his stance on this difficult issue.

[mrs.chappie]

Thank you Andy, and I agree with you about JO being applauded.

[gness]

When stories like this arise something that annoys me is that somewhere inside me is a person who likes to believe in people and give them a chance... I have to slap that person down.....

I would no more employ him than say.....a man who spitefully shoots a horse....x

[jackthehat]

Hmmmm......I'm a bit conflicted on this.

Yes, he's certainly a rapist, but it is by no means certain that (despite the age of the girl he raped) that he is any sort of 'paedophile'.

Consigning him to the scrapheap of life at the age of 24 will, I'm sure, only serve to make sure that he becomes embittered and who knows where that might lead?

Offering him the chance to become a fully integrated member of society may well be the best option.

If he cannot help himself and shows any signs of 'reverting to type' then he should be permanently withdrawn from society.

[mrs.chappie]

I'm with you on that second part, Gness. I don't think I could employ someone evil enough to kill an innocent creature for revenge either.

[Slapshot]

I wonder if Jamie knew anything about it??? It's wrong but like every other scenario the law say if he's done his time then he's free to be where ever he needs to be.

Can't remember who said paedophilia was a choice? its becoming apparent the more I've read this week that rape or the culture of what rape is, forced sex, I a choice for some too. Getting to be a strange old world where real values are a thing of the past.

Okay, it's probably illegal for JO not to hire him subject to the Rehab of Offenders Act, a job/apprenticeship in a kitchen is unlikely to bring him into direct contact with customers. From those angles it's a little different.

As we get older there's really no stigma attached to age but where children are involved society needs to protect them as much as is possible. There is some context here as he was still a teenager granted 12 is bit rediculous, if i'd met my wife when she was 17 me 14 nearly 15, she'd have been labelled a paedophile too. There should be no grey areas in law where Paedophilia is concerned!

[-Talbot-]

I would not eat at a restaurant that employed a paedophile/child rapist
I would be interested to see if dining numbers at 15 will change.

[Baldric]

The more this is discussed online or anywhere else for that matter is increasing the number of people who know who he is and what he did, which is no bad thing, as it will give the customers at whatever establishment he works at the option to vote with their feet and eat elsewhere.

[whirlyhurly]

Paedophiles are sexual deviants whose urges cannot be stopped. They need to be kept well away from mainstream society.