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British Museum Pushes Founder Off His Pedestal
The British Museum has removed a bust of its founder from prominent display, citing a move to acknowledge the museum’s historical relationship with slavery. Sir Hans Sloane funded his collection of artefacts, books and curiosities with profits from his wife’s sugar plantation. Shortly before his death in 1753, he bequeathed many of his belongings to the nation, and 71,000 of them formed much of what would stock the British Museum.
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The museum’s director says, “We must not hide anything” but that’s exactly what they are doing. Hopefully in years to come no one will ask who founded and financed all the wonderful institutions that are now bowing to the Woke because at this rate the answers will have been forgotten.
What next? The renaming of Sloane Square?
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The museum’s director says, “We must not hide anything” but that’s exactly what they are doing. Hopefully in years to come no one will ask who founded and financed all the wonderful institutions that are now bowing to the Woke because at this rate the answers will have been forgotten.
What next? The renaming of Sloane Square?
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So his wife's family was a slave owner. So what? He also did a great deal of good. I most certainly do not approve of slavery, but on the basis that everyone is tainted you would have to get rid of almost everyone in any position in the last 200 years. Er - George Washington anyone? It's History - get over it, leave it all as it and think whatever you want to think - then...
22:15 Thu 27th Aug 2020
ynnafymmi. All those involved in this heinous trade, and their descendants (who in the UK's case are now very rich families on the basis of trousering their millions back in the 1830s) should pay back their riches, and hang their heads...
But as most around here don't hang their heads, or even want to know how rich this country became as a result of the trade in human beings, or the payout when finally it was abolished, I doubt it'll happen.
What about you, ynnafymmi. Do you feel any responsibility?
Nah, forget it. Oh, you already have...
But as most around here don't hang their heads, or even want to know how rich this country became as a result of the trade in human beings, or the payout when finally it was abolished, I doubt it'll happen.
What about you, ynnafymmi. Do you feel any responsibility?
Nah, forget it. Oh, you already have...
The OP appears to unaware of the fact that black people were as much to "blame" for the trade in slaves as were white people:
"The Atlantic slave trade peaked in the late 18th century when the largest number of slaves were captured on raiding expeditions into the interior of West Africa. These expeditions were typically carried out by African states, such as the Bono State, Oyo empire (Yoruba), Kong Empire, Kingdom of Benin, Imamate of Futa Jallon, Imamate of Futa Toro, Kingdom of Koya, Kingdom of Khasso, Kingdom of Kaabu, Fante Confederacy, Ashanti Confederacy, Aro Confederacy and the kingdom of Dahomey.[36][37] Europeans rarely entered the interior of Africa, due to fear of disease and moreover fierce African resistance. The slaves were brought to coastal outposts where they were traded for goods. The people captured on these expeditions were shipped by European traders to the colonies of the New World. As a result of the War of the Spanish Succession, the United Kingdom obtained the monopoly (asiento de negros) of transporting captive Africans to Spanish America. It is estimated that over the centuries, twelve to twenty million people were shipped as slaves from Africa by European traders, of whom some 15 percent died during the terrible voyage, many during the arduous journey through the Middle Passage. The great majority were shipped to the Americas, but some also went to Europe and Southern Africa."
The above is a short excerpt from a lengthy article in Wikipedia regarding the history of slavery.
"The Atlantic slave trade peaked in the late 18th century when the largest number of slaves were captured on raiding expeditions into the interior of West Africa. These expeditions were typically carried out by African states, such as the Bono State, Oyo empire (Yoruba), Kong Empire, Kingdom of Benin, Imamate of Futa Jallon, Imamate of Futa Toro, Kingdom of Koya, Kingdom of Khasso, Kingdom of Kaabu, Fante Confederacy, Ashanti Confederacy, Aro Confederacy and the kingdom of Dahomey.[36][37] Europeans rarely entered the interior of Africa, due to fear of disease and moreover fierce African resistance. The slaves were brought to coastal outposts where they were traded for goods. The people captured on these expeditions were shipped by European traders to the colonies of the New World. As a result of the War of the Spanish Succession, the United Kingdom obtained the monopoly (asiento de negros) of transporting captive Africans to Spanish America. It is estimated that over the centuries, twelve to twenty million people were shipped as slaves from Africa by European traders, of whom some 15 percent died during the terrible voyage, many during the arduous journey through the Middle Passage. The great majority were shipped to the Americas, but some also went to Europe and Southern Africa."
The above is a short excerpt from a lengthy article in Wikipedia regarding the history of slavery.
if you want to find out if your ancestors made claims when slavery was abolished (or if you want to check they didn't), look here
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not everyone who benefitted from the compensation scheme got rich though. the growth industry at the time was railways. using the UCL resource, the site has no less than 523 records of 162 individuals financing railway schemes in Britain, amounting to £4m at 1840s prices. some (who got in early) did get rich, but most ended up investing in lame duck railways that ended up bankrupt.
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on that basis, should the railways be closed down?
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not everyone who benefitted from the compensation scheme got rich though. the growth industry at the time was railways. using the UCL resource, the site has no less than 523 records of 162 individuals financing railway schemes in Britain, amounting to £4m at 1840s prices. some (who got in early) did get rich, but most ended up investing in lame duck railways that ended up bankrupt.
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on that basis, should the railways be closed down?
allenLondon - // But as most around here don't hang their heads, or even want to know how rich this country became as a result of the trade in human beings, or the payout when finally it was abolished, I doubt it'll happen. //
You seem un-naturally obsessed with unchangeable historical facts, and a peculiar desire for people to apologise and 'repay' (although to whom you do not make clear) for their ancestors' actions.
The simple fact is this - my, and indeed your, ancestors may have behaved in an appalling fashion towards others less fortunate than themselves.
Am I sorry about that? yes I am, but more importantly, am I realistically able to do anything in terms of changing what has happened? No I am not.
I am not responsible for my forebears' behaviour, and I am not especially minded to make any kind of personal apology for it. I can;t help it, change it, or stop it, I wasn't there.
I am unsure why you are pursuing this baffling self-flagellation, but it's not going to get you anywhere except hot under the collar, and a deserved reputation for a misguided sense of shame and responsibility.
You seem un-naturally obsessed with unchangeable historical facts, and a peculiar desire for people to apologise and 'repay' (although to whom you do not make clear) for their ancestors' actions.
The simple fact is this - my, and indeed your, ancestors may have behaved in an appalling fashion towards others less fortunate than themselves.
Am I sorry about that? yes I am, but more importantly, am I realistically able to do anything in terms of changing what has happened? No I am not.
I am not responsible for my forebears' behaviour, and I am not especially minded to make any kind of personal apology for it. I can;t help it, change it, or stop it, I wasn't there.
I am unsure why you are pursuing this baffling self-flagellation, but it's not going to get you anywhere except hot under the collar, and a deserved reputation for a misguided sense of shame and responsibility.
andy-hughes
roy - //Erm...can you stick a rough date on this time of horrible slavery? //
No problem - will from pre-history to today do for you?
Slavery has existed as long as mankind, and is still going on somewhere in the world as I type.
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Rather makes a mockery of this statement doesn't it...
''Speaking personally, i already understand that slavery was a horrible time in the world's history,''
roy - //Erm...can you stick a rough date on this time of horrible slavery? //
No problem - will from pre-history to today do for you?
Slavery has existed as long as mankind, and is still going on somewhere in the world as I type.
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Rather makes a mockery of this statement doesn't it...
''Speaking personally, i already understand that slavery was a horrible time in the world's history,''
Theland - // So what do BAMEs actually want now?
And when they get whatever KT is, what will they want next?
And when they get that, what will be next on their list? //
Since, as usual, you are treating BAME people as some sort of separate species, why don;t you ask your daughter-in-law?
She is one of 'them' - she must know what 'their' agenda is, ask her, and stop bothering us with your nonsense.
And when they get whatever KT is, what will they want next?
And when they get that, what will be next on their list? //
Since, as usual, you are treating BAME people as some sort of separate species, why don;t you ask your daughter-in-law?
She is one of 'them' - she must know what 'their' agenda is, ask her, and stop bothering us with your nonsense.
roy - // andy-hughes
roy - //Erm...can you stick a rough date on this time of horrible slavery? //
No problem - will from pre-history to today do for you?
Slavery has existed as long as mankind, and is still going on somewhere in the world as I type.
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Rather makes a mockery of this statement doesn't it...
''Speaking personally, i already understand that slavery was a horrible time in the world's history,'' //
Only if you want to deliberately misunderstand my point in order to pick a pointless argument, and you are never one to miss an opportunity to do that.
When we speak in general discussion of 'slavery' it is understood that we talk about the sugar planation slaves and the trade around the nineteenth century.
That does not contradict the understanding that slavery as a concept has existed as long as mankind, and still goes on today.
But don;t allow an opportunity to have another pointless dig be sidetracked by trying to make a point out of nothing at all - as usual.
roy - //Erm...can you stick a rough date on this time of horrible slavery? //
No problem - will from pre-history to today do for you?
Slavery has existed as long as mankind, and is still going on somewhere in the world as I type.
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Rather makes a mockery of this statement doesn't it...
''Speaking personally, i already understand that slavery was a horrible time in the world's history,'' //
Only if you want to deliberately misunderstand my point in order to pick a pointless argument, and you are never one to miss an opportunity to do that.
When we speak in general discussion of 'slavery' it is understood that we talk about the sugar planation slaves and the trade around the nineteenth century.
That does not contradict the understanding that slavery as a concept has existed as long as mankind, and still goes on today.
But don;t allow an opportunity to have another pointless dig be sidetracked by trying to make a point out of nothing at all - as usual.
Andy My daughter in law is a nurse and wants the same as us, a peaceful life to bring up her kids, etcetcetc.
Bit, she is not a, Community Worker, Activist, or a general loudmouth making demands to adjust society and get tax payers to shell out more money for the latest ethnically friendly fad.
You have a problem with that?
Bit, she is not a, Community Worker, Activist, or a general loudmouth making demands to adjust society and get tax payers to shell out more money for the latest ethnically friendly fad.
You have a problem with that?
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