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Personally I'm against such bans, not because there isn't a battle to fought against repressive forms of Islam of which things like the burqa are ostentatious symbols, but because it;s the wrong terrain to fight - we're marching uphill in mud. (Remember Waterloo?). As is evident from the two threads on AB and the legal appeals in France, it's given the...
19:04 Fri 26th Aug 2016
Have you read the link I posted andy?
no of course you haven't, why would you ...
I really don't care what you have to say on Muslims issues , andy. imo you just drone on and on regardless of whether you know what you are talking about or not. I prefer to hear it straight from the horse's mouth and am far more willing to believe what I am told from people actually in the know..
no of course you haven't, why would you ...
I really don't care what you have to say on Muslims issues , andy. imo you just drone on and on regardless of whether you know what you are talking about or not. I prefer to hear it straight from the horse's mouth and am far more willing to believe what I am told from people actually in the know..
Talbot - //Have you read the link I posted andy?
no of course you haven't, why would you ... //
Yes I have, because I read all links, that way lies education.
I really don't care what you have to say on Muslims issues , andy. imo you just drone on and on regardless of whether you know what you are talking about or not. I prefer to hear it straight from the horse's mouth and am far more willing to believe what I am told from people actually in the know.. //
I am sorry to hear that you don't wish to pursue our discussion, but so be it.
I am also willing to believe something I am told from people actually in the know - but in this case, since you didn't speak to the lady in question and ask her if she was 'oppressed' - you didn't do that, so you are not 'in the know' at all.
I have never been told by a Muslim woman that she is 'oppressed' - so I keep an open mind on the subject.
If you re-read any of my points on any thread, I rarely say that I am speaking from fact or experience, I simply put forward a different point of view to be considered.
If you wish to turn your back on that notion, and simply believe what you are told, then it is surely more you than I who is living in ignorance?
no of course you haven't, why would you ... //
Yes I have, because I read all links, that way lies education.
I really don't care what you have to say on Muslims issues , andy. imo you just drone on and on regardless of whether you know what you are talking about or not. I prefer to hear it straight from the horse's mouth and am far more willing to believe what I am told from people actually in the know.. //
I am sorry to hear that you don't wish to pursue our discussion, but so be it.
I am also willing to believe something I am told from people actually in the know - but in this case, since you didn't speak to the lady in question and ask her if she was 'oppressed' - you didn't do that, so you are not 'in the know' at all.
I have never been told by a Muslim woman that she is 'oppressed' - so I keep an open mind on the subject.
If you re-read any of my points on any thread, I rarely say that I am speaking from fact or experience, I simply put forward a different point of view to be considered.
If you wish to turn your back on that notion, and simply believe what you are told, then it is surely more you than I who is living in ignorance?
jambutty - //Talbot at 22:41 last night - that really upset me, poor, poor woman. //
I suggest you are doing what Talbot did - you are making an assumption based on something you see, which may or not be what you think it is.
I have tried to illustrate the point to Talbot, that just because something appears to be a certain way, does not mean that it necessarily as you are seeing it. It may be, but it may not, assumptions are not helpful.
To use the age-old adage - It says Oxo on the side of buses, but they don't sell it.
I refer you to my analogy, that if a Muslim man saw a European couple arguing, and the man slapped the woman, does that mean that all European men are beaten and cowed by their wives?
We all see everything, but we don't always know that what we see should be interpreted by our own experience, because other cultures live differently from us, and your ways are not theirs, and vice versa.
I am simply putting the idea out there - this lady may appear to be 'oppressed' to our Western eyes, it doesn't mean that she is.
I suggest you are doing what Talbot did - you are making an assumption based on something you see, which may or not be what you think it is.
I have tried to illustrate the point to Talbot, that just because something appears to be a certain way, does not mean that it necessarily as you are seeing it. It may be, but it may not, assumptions are not helpful.
To use the age-old adage - It says Oxo on the side of buses, but they don't sell it.
I refer you to my analogy, that if a Muslim man saw a European couple arguing, and the man slapped the woman, does that mean that all European men are beaten and cowed by their wives?
We all see everything, but we don't always know that what we see should be interpreted by our own experience, because other cultures live differently from us, and your ways are not theirs, and vice versa.
I am simply putting the idea out there - this lady may appear to be 'oppressed' to our Western eyes, it doesn't mean that she is.
Talbot - //I am also willing to believe something I am told from people actually in the know - but in this case, since you didn't speak to the lady in question and ask her if she was 'oppressed' - you didn't do that, so you are not 'in the know' at all.
What and who are you talking about? //
You observed a Muslim woman being 'oppressed' in your view, by the behaviour of her husband and son.
Since you didn't; speak to her, and ascertain that she is in fact 'oppressed', you made an assumption of the behaviour of another culture, based on the behaviour of your own culture.
I am simply suggesting that such an assumption is not valid.
What and who are you talking about? //
You observed a Muslim woman being 'oppressed' in your view, by the behaviour of her husband and son.
Since you didn't; speak to her, and ascertain that she is in fact 'oppressed', you made an assumption of the behaviour of another culture, based on the behaviour of your own culture.
I am simply suggesting that such an assumption is not valid.
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