Hillsborough Disaster: Fans Unlawfully Killed

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36138337

At last...the truth is out.

Some important points from the above :::

Police failures led to the deaths in the 1989 Hillsborough disaster.

Jurors answered yes to the question about whether any police error caused or contributed to a dangerous situation at the 1989 FA Cup semi-final.

The behaviour of Liverpool fans did not contribute to the dangerous situation at the turnstiles.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - I think that hits the spot.

I for one would not wish the police to solely carry the blame for this tragedy, when clearly other factors were in play, over which they had little if any control. As far as errors made, they are just that, errors.

But in respect of the cover-up and subsequent perjury that has taken place - then the individuals involved must be brought to trail and if found guilty, punished accordingly.

That is not 'police bashing' - that is even-handed application of the law.

[mushroom25]

//the ruling of 'Unlawful Killing' against the police alone appears to be questionable. //

having this tested in court may well be the only way to resolve the matter.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, I'm certainly not police-bashing (not that you said I am) - but I suspect there is some of that going on in this thread.

[Gavmacp]

I don't blame police officers that changed their evidence. It can be hard to stick to the correct practices when pressurised by senior management. Unfortunately it still goes on there were nurses sacked for changing treatment times at an A&E department.

[mikey4444]

I am certainly not Police-bashing....just stating what is true and what the outcome of the Inquest was. Facts, in other words.

If the Police gave false evidence, and we know that Duckenfield certainly did, as he admitted as much during the Inquest, than they should be brought to law.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - //andy-hughes, I'm certainly not police-bashing (not that you said I am) - but I suspect there is some of that going on in this thread. //

I am inclined to disagree.

I think the idea that criticism of the police behaviour in the subsequent events after this tragedy ( and that is distinct from the event itself) is absolutely fair, and the notion that some poor old pensioner is going to be flogged to death is frankly laughable.

The police cannot be exempt for the due process of the law anymore than any citizen - to do otherwise makes a mockery of justice, and that has already occurred for far too long here.

[naomi24]

Mikey, true, false evidence was presented, and those responsible should be brought to task, but presenting ‘false evidence’ does not equate to ‘Unlawful Killing’.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, //The police cannot be exempt for the due process of the law//

I haven't suggested they should be. See my post above.

[mikey4444]

Naomi....I have never says it did equate to ‘Unlawful Killing’.

We shall have to wait until the authorities have done their jobs, to see if anybody is prosecuted.

[naomi24]

Mikey, do you not agree that there were other contributing factors?

[mikey4444]

Naomi...I agree with ALL the verdicts that were given yesterday.

[jackthehat]

There is much more to the 'unlawful killing'.
At an earlier hearing, t was determined that *all* the dead had passed away by 3.15pm which, manifestly, was not the case and was held to be a reason why resuscitation was abandoned when it may have saved some of the dead if it had been allowed to continue.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/229038/0581.pdf

This is the report which triggered the hearing culminating in yesterday's verdict.

[naomi24]

Mikey, //Naomi...I agree with ALL the verdicts that were given yesterday.

So you agree that there were other contributing factors. Good.

[Old_Geezer]

Almost 400 pages. Ouch. Glad I'm not a lawyer.

[andy-hughes]

I live in hope that those responsible will be exposed, and subjected to the full force of the law .... but that hope is seriously faint.

[Gavmacp]

As I keep saying why were previous incidents not acted upon?

[jno]

mikey, as far as I know "unlawful killing" is a standard conclusion in inquests; it doesn't blame anyone, it simply says there's a case to be investigated.

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-36147007

I notice that "The Sun" this morning is not leading with the Hillsborough Inquest verdicts, as almost every other paper is....I wonder why ?

Its the same with "The Times"

Now, just what could these two newspapers have in common ?

[mikey4444]

Thanks jno.

[naomi24]

Mikey, //I notice that "The Sun" this morning is not leading with the Hillsborough Inquest verdicts, as almost every other paper is....I wonder why ? Its the same with "The Times"//

Almost? Which of the others aren’t – and do they also have something in common?