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'are You Brown Because You're From Africa, Racist Or Not??
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Possibilitie
15:40 Thu 15th Jan 2015
"When one can no longer play the 'racist' card, the 'ism' card from the large pack of such cards, one can alway revert to the 'Daily Mail' card as is often played on AnswerBank".
But he's got it right and I would bet a million people would agree, and not all of them 'hand-wringing liberals' or 'the nasty left'.
I'm glad you admit there is a Daily Mail 'card' ...there is hope after all!
But he's got it right and I would bet a million people would agree, and not all of them 'hand-wringing liberals' or 'the nasty left'.
I'm glad you admit there is a Daily Mail 'card' ...there is hope after all!
"English people are always interesting in where people are from, but it seems some of our ethnics are a little touchy over this, ask some of them "where are you from" and you will get an angry stare and the reply will be "England"".
...that's probably because they were born here, and quite possibly their parents and quite possibly their grandparents.
...that's probably because they were born here, and quite possibly their parents and quite possibly their grandparents.
@ludwig
Sorry, I was responding to your earlier remark (about reprogramming)
"Someone's poisoned his mind with the dangerously subversive idea that there are alot of brown people in Africa."
The 'racist' part was the jumping to the conclusion that a minority person they are speaking to, in a school in the UK, is from another continent, not somewhere local. "…is it *because* you are from…"
See?
Sorry, I was responding to your earlier remark (about reprogramming)
"Someone's poisoned his mind with the dangerously subversive idea that there are alot of brown people in Africa."
The 'racist' part was the jumping to the conclusion that a minority person they are speaking to, in a school in the UK, is from another continent, not somewhere local. "…is it *because* you are from…"
See?
@mastercraft
well, if they are even asking such questions and the teachers are 'filtering' such occurrences out of the 'data' that they are compiling then that, in itself is treating them differently on the basis of ethnicity and is open to accusations of racism.
Except how is that going to be detected? Seven year olds cannot be expected to 'police' their teacher's behaviour, can they?
well, if they are even asking such questions and the teachers are 'filtering' such occurrences out of the 'data' that they are compiling then that, in itself is treating them differently on the basis of ethnicity and is open to accusations of racism.
Except how is that going to be detected? Seven year olds cannot be expected to 'police' their teacher's behaviour, can they?
AOG
You wrote earlier:
"English people are always interesting in where people are from, but it seems some of our ethnics are a little touchy over this, ask some of them "where are you from" and you will get an angry stare and the reply will be "England".
I think the reason 'some of our ethnics' (sheesh) get annoyed by this question is because the follow up is so often, "No, where are you from originally".
Unfortunately, we still have to deal with some people who don't understand that we are now onto the fourth generation of Black Britons, who regard England as their home, so when we are asked "Where are you from?" the natural response is, "London", or "Birmingham", or "Leeds" or whatever.
Ideally, if someone is interested in the familial origins of of a non-white Briton, the question would be "So, where does your family hail from?"
...ignoring the fact that the question ends with an ugly preposition, it's the polite way to ask.
You wrote earlier:
"English people are always interesting in where people are from, but it seems some of our ethnics are a little touchy over this, ask some of them "where are you from" and you will get an angry stare and the reply will be "England".
I think the reason 'some of our ethnics' (sheesh) get annoyed by this question is because the follow up is so often, "No, where are you from originally".
Unfortunately, we still have to deal with some people who don't understand that we are now onto the fourth generation of Black Britons, who regard England as their home, so when we are asked "Where are you from?" the natural response is, "London", or "Birmingham", or "Leeds" or whatever.
Ideally, if someone is interested in the familial origins of of a non-white Briton, the question would be "So, where does your family hail from?"
...ignoring the fact that the question ends with an ugly preposition, it's the polite way to ask.
This is the height of stupidity and I agree wholeheartedly with JJ. I’ve said the same previously. One could be forgiven for gaining the impression that people of African descent are ashamed of their origins. Strangely enough, even though most of them have never been anywhere near Africa, black people in the US have no problem with the term African American –in fact many of them insist upon it. This constant pussyfooting on eggshells exacerbates racism. If a child asks a question, just answer it!
naomi24
My point is that young black people in the UK resent being asked where their from when their accent makes it clear.
I've occasionally encountered dim people who ask that question, and normally answer "I'm from London, but my parents are from the West Indies".
If you answer like that, hopefully they remember for next time.
My point is that young black people in the UK resent being asked where their from when their accent makes it clear.
I've occasionally encountered dim people who ask that question, and normally answer "I'm from London, but my parents are from the West Indies".
If you answer like that, hopefully they remember for next time.
Children are not inherently racist - this was an innocent question asked by a child for goodness sake.
My friend's son, who is 9, autistic and attends a special school was being pestered by an Asian girl. He said to her "Go away, I don't like Muslims."
His parents were hauled into school and THEY were dressed down by the Head over their "racist" son.
The world has gone mad.
My friend's son, who is 9, autistic and attends a special school was being pestered by an Asian girl. He said to her "Go away, I don't like Muslims."
His parents were hauled into school and THEY were dressed down by the Head over their "racist" son.
The world has gone mad.
Hypognosis
/// In the teachers shoes, however, I would want to have a word with the parents. The concept that black/brown = "from Africa" has been put into that child's head from somewhere. ///
You are taking it too serious, parents are not to blame, children pick up images of people from all over the place, mainly school and TV.
Give a child a paper with a black person on it, a Chinese looking person, a white person, an Eskimo person and a native American, and ask them where they are each from?
Would it be wrong for them to answer Africa, China, England, the North Pole, and America?
/// In the teachers shoes, however, I would want to have a word with the parents. The concept that black/brown = "from Africa" has been put into that child's head from somewhere. ///
You are taking it too serious, parents are not to blame, children pick up images of people from all over the place, mainly school and TV.
Give a child a paper with a black person on it, a Chinese looking person, a white person, an Eskimo person and a native American, and ask them where they are each from?
Would it be wrong for them to answer Africa, China, England, the North Pole, and America?
sp1814
/// My point is that young black people in the UK resent being asked where their from when their accent makes it clear. ///
The majority I have met don't talk in an English Trevour MacDonald way, it is more a mix between a type of street cred broken English, with a touch of a Caribbean thrown in, and the problem being some of our indigenous young are coping it.
/// My point is that young black people in the UK resent being asked where their from when their accent makes it clear. ///
The majority I have met don't talk in an English Trevour MacDonald way, it is more a mix between a type of street cred broken English, with a touch of a Caribbean thrown in, and the problem being some of our indigenous young are coping it.
AOG
Trevor McDonald is a really bad example of the point you are trying to make, because he speaks with a distinct Trinidadian accent.
A far better example would have been Lennox Cato.
And the accent that young black, white and Asian kids have developed has absolutely nothing to do with West Indian patois. The grammar and inflections are completely different. I only know this, because I've developed an ear for it. I suppose it's the same as Canadian and American sounding the same to us, but to them the accents sound completely different.
As I've said befoe, have a listen to Tinie Tempah speaking on YouTube, then listen to an interview with Bob Marley...to me, they sound nothing alike.
Trevor McDonald is a really bad example of the point you are trying to make, because he speaks with a distinct Trinidadian accent.
A far better example would have been Lennox Cato.
And the accent that young black, white and Asian kids have developed has absolutely nothing to do with West Indian patois. The grammar and inflections are completely different. I only know this, because I've developed an ear for it. I suppose it's the same as Canadian and American sounding the same to us, but to them the accents sound completely different.
As I've said befoe, have a listen to Tinie Tempah speaking on YouTube, then listen to an interview with Bob Marley...to me, they sound nothing alike.
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