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In the UK he would have been done for at least man slaughter as he doesn't deny killing him (in the chest and not a bullet wound) but to be guilty of absolutely nothing is incredible.
18:08 Sun 14th Jul 2013
The whole issue, baz, was that there was a strong case to be made that this incident was racially motivated. In other words, the fact that the victim was black is pretty much the main reason the case came to light. It was alleged that Zimmerman saw the young black teenager, and assumed because of his race that he was up to no good. Then, it is further alleged, he shot the boy dead without having any cause or provocation. Again, if this were true, what other reason could there be than because Zimmerman saw a black man and automatically assumed that he was a danger? He wasn't the first, and he will not be the last, to have jumped to conclusions like that. I've been guilty of it myself at times, I'm sure. The difference here is that he had the means, in his gun, to do something about it -- and a young boy's life has been snuffed out.
The jury has acquitted Zimmerman, perhaps because there was more to this case than I am aware of. But rightly or wrongly, the victim's skin colour is entirely relevant. Either it led to the killing of an innocent victim because a man with a gun jumped to conclusions and shot him; or it led to an entire country, indeed many people across the world, crying foul just because the victim was black. Someone here has been racist.
The jury has acquitted Zimmerman, perhaps because there was more to this case than I am aware of. But rightly or wrongly, the victim's skin colour is entirely relevant. Either it led to the killing of an innocent victim because a man with a gun jumped to conclusions and shot him; or it led to an entire country, indeed many people across the world, crying foul just because the victim was black. Someone here has been racist.
Mikey, that's only what the prosecutors said. That isn't very balanced. The defence argued that Zimmerman was legally carrying a gun. Was attacked by Martin, who was trying to grab the gun and shot him in self -defence.
I don't know who is lying. Impossible to say. That's why I've asked if there were any witnesses, but that hasn't been answered. He was, at least, plausible enough to convince twelve people.
I don't know who is lying. Impossible to say. That's why I've asked if there were any witnesses, but that hasn't been answered. He was, at least, plausible enough to convince twelve people.
11 white jurors and one Hispanic. But although the race of the people involved did make a difference to the outcome of the case, the basic problem lies in the way that gun ownership is viewed on the other side of the Atlantic. The "stand your ground" law has further muddied the waters.
If this case happened over here, it is not impossible but highly unlikely that Zimmerman would have walked away as a free man. You would need a very strong reason indeed to kill some in Britain and get away with it. Trying to prove that the victim was a threat to you, when he wasn't armed wouldn't be much use.
Americans have brought this on themselves, with their obsession with guns.
It pains me to say it but Dunblane and Hungerford were the watersheds that have made us all safer in the future.
If this case happened over here, it is not impossible but highly unlikely that Zimmerman would have walked away as a free man. You would need a very strong reason indeed to kill some in Britain and get away with it. Trying to prove that the victim was a threat to you, when he wasn't armed wouldn't be much use.
Americans have brought this on themselves, with their obsession with guns.
It pains me to say it but Dunblane and Hungerford were the watersheds that have made us all safer in the future.
I know you might find this hard to believe baz... but some people today might actually still be racist. Yes, it does go both ways, but at the moment it's more common for black people to be victims of racism than white people. Weird, huh?
This case looked like yet another example. The jury appears to disagree, for whatever reason. If you've ever listened to the original phone call to the police (transcript linked below) then it seems clear that he has jumped to some pretty outrageous conclusions based on very little.
I don't know. Who attacked whom, who started it? The young boy initially was just walking to a shop, but appears to me to have turned and confronted Zimmerman after he'd been tailed. It got nasty, and Trayvon Martin was shot dead. The question is, why was he being tailed in the first place? What motivated Zimmerman to start following him?
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This case looked like yet another example. The jury appears to disagree, for whatever reason. If you've ever listened to the original phone call to the police (transcript linked below) then it seems clear that he has jumped to some pretty outrageous conclusions based on very little.
I don't know. Who attacked whom, who started it? The young boy initially was just walking to a shop, but appears to me to have turned and confronted Zimmerman after he'd been tailed. It got nasty, and Trayvon Martin was shot dead. The question is, why was he being tailed in the first place? What motivated Zimmerman to start following him?
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It's America, it's what happens when you give every jobsworth a gun. A black kid in a hoodie was always going to be a prime target.
Americans are obsessed with crime and will see it as one less "criminal" to worry about. Their idea of "justice" and our own is a million miles apart, hope it stays that way!
Americans are obsessed with crime and will see it as one less "criminal" to worry about. Their idea of "justice" and our own is a million miles apart, hope it stays that way!
Not at all surprised but I will be surprised if he's still alive for his next birthday- I imagine some strongly feeling person ( and there do seem a few about over there regarding this) will repay the gesture. It would have served the purpose of justice far more if he had been found guilty, and saved a world of trouble to come over it.
I'm not so sure that he was guilty of murder -- or at the very least, based on the evidence I have seen I don't think I could have convicted him of it. Manslaughter, perhaps, but not murder.
I hope you are wrong about his future life prospects too, Sharingan. Would be awful if he were also killed in the name of "street justice".
I hope you are wrong about his future life prospects too, Sharingan. Would be awful if he were also killed in the name of "street justice".
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