Ospreys - Loch Of The Lowes, Scotland.
Twitching & Birdwatching1 min ago
Bedroom Tax
So, there's been a suicide because of the 'bedroom tax'. Poor woman couldn't afford the £80 per month for 2 empty bedrooms when her children left home. How many more before it's abolished?
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Well she didn't kill herself before the 'bedroom tax' was brought in which led her to believe she wouldn't be able to afford the extra £80+ per month, which meant she had to leave her home of 18 years. I don't think anyone gives a stuff about the £80 per week, they simply find it heartbreakin
13:17 Mon 13th May 2013
According to the newspaper reports, this lady had not been using her heating over the winter period, nor her lights and was not eating properly - before she lost the £80 per month benefit.
She was upset about her children leaving home and being alone. Who knows what other problems she had? In all fairness a small bungalow which was offered would be cheaper for her to run and manage, seeing as was also in ill health.
She was upset about her children leaving home and being alone. Who knows what other problems she had? In all fairness a small bungalow which was offered would be cheaper for her to run and manage, seeing as was also in ill health.
Octavious -you have a valid point -years ago I had a client who was a lorry driver who killed two people on the highway - one was trying to throw himself under the truck and the other trying to save him (turned out to be uncle and nephew) -he had major PTSS -flashbacks of dismembered limbs hitting the windscreen -horrible images -so there will be at least another victim in this suicide.
sorry magsmay but I disagree. I suspect that every human adult on the planet has, at some time or other, thought about suicide. The difference is that most of us can dismiss the thought just as we can dismiss the though of murdering someone, or to suggest lesser actions, theft or violence.
the mental health issue comes when we cannot dismiss the thought or think it through rationally
the mental health issue comes when we cannot dismiss the thought or think it through rationally
This lady was 53 – not too old to work a few hours a week to earn the extra £20 she needed. She was offered three alternative properties, but felt none were suitable, so no one can claim she wasn’t considered. The fact is the welfare system is over-burdened, families are homeless, and in order to utilise the available funds to the best advantage, changes must be made. People cannot expect society to continue to pay for that which they want, but don’t actually need.
Lend me your tin hat, Woofgang!
Lend me your tin hat, Woofgang!
//Say someone loses their child, or their husband, and makes a decision they no longer wish to live their life without them. That doesn't mean that person has mental health issues, surely?//
yes it does -they are not coping (obviously) and need psychiatric help to recover as best they can. They could want to kill themselves two weeks after the tragedy -but two years later feel completely different.
yes it does -they are not coping (obviously) and need psychiatric help to recover as best they can. They could want to kill themselves two weeks after the tragedy -but two years later feel completely different.
Most people affected by this needn't go anywhere, and should be able to stay in their own homes, albeit around £1,000 a year worse off. Yes, this is a huge sum of money at the level of most people on benefits. No, this case is not going to be repeated at any major level up and down the country. For many there will be just about enough room to cope with the hit, and for many of the others a contingency fund is in place. The law may well need to be thought through better, though, as this is only a temporary measure. Housing benefit is due to be replaced in 2017 by Universal Credit, and an informed source suggests that there aren't yet plans for the same sort of "discretionary payments" when UC takes over.
This is the reason why it is not rational, because there was a known and available alternative. As I say, from experience I know that you often do not consider such alternatives when suffering from mental health issues, so I can say with a great deal of confidence that this was not the only thing that bothered this woman.
Without your going into details of what specific scenarios you'd want to die in, Sharingan, I'm certainly not going to judge your mental health! I hope they're all going to be pretty unlikely and extreme scenarios, though...
This is the reason why it is not rational, because there was a known and available alternative. As I say, from experience I know that you often do not consider such alternatives when suffering from mental health issues, so I can say with a great deal of confidence that this was not the only thing that bothered this woman.
Without your going into details of what specific scenarios you'd want to die in, Sharingan, I'm certainly not going to judge your mental health! I hope they're all going to be pretty unlikely and extreme scenarios, though...
If you lost a house or a child, then wouldn't that cause depression... which IS a mental health issue.
I agree thinking about how you'd want to go out if you had a terminal illnesses or serious accident then is NOT a mental health issue, sadly in some cases it's just practical.
I don't think bedroom tax is only to blame. It sounds like she had other issues.
I agree thinking about how you'd want to go out if you had a terminal illnesses or serious accident then is NOT a mental health issue, sadly in some cases it's just practical.
I don't think bedroom tax is only to blame. It sounds like she had other issues.
/no one commits suicide unless they have a mental health problem ie depression/
that seems to be akin to 'if you don't share my model of the world you must be mentally ill' - the Soviets used to apply it to their political dissidents
If we really respect other people's rights, then we have to accept that in some circumstances, some people will want to end their own lives
To dismiss that as 'mental disease' seems rather arrogant
that seems to be akin to 'if you don't share my model of the world you must be mentally ill' - the Soviets used to apply it to their political dissidents
If we really respect other people's rights, then we have to accept that in some circumstances, some people will want to end their own lives
To dismiss that as 'mental disease' seems rather arrogant
