How Much Longer Is Weak Cameron Prepared To Accept Clegg's Insults?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2291009/Conservatives-like-broken-shopping-trolley--veering-right-Clegg-launches-savage-attack-Tories.html

The Tories should have no need to keep veering to the right, because there is only one track they should be constantly following and that is the 'Right' track.

[Gromit]

After UKiP embarrassed the Conservatives in the Eastleigh bye election there are members of Mr Cameron's party who want to move the party away from the middle ground and want to take the party to a more extreme right position.

What they forget is that that is where they were under IDS and Howard and they got beat in election after election.

Though in a coalition, Clegg and Cameron lead rival parties, so if Clegg percieves a weakness or a mistake he is going to vocalise it.

[Gromit]

And to answer the question. As long as Coalition exists which is probably until a few months before the next general election.

[emmie]

because he is weak that is how long, it's a damn pity that he made this unholy alliance, it hasn't worked, why would anyone think it would, had it meant he stayed out of the PM job well that would honestly be better than this, fudge after fudge, and been blighted on various reforms by willy wonka clegg.

[Gromit]

I seem to remember the choice was Cleggs not Camerons.
Brown tried to woo Clegg but was rebuffed. In theory, Labour, LibDems and all the others had more votes than the Conservatives and so could have formed an alternative coalition. But it would have had hardly any majority and would have been very weak.

[emmie]

why didn't clegg choose Labour then if that's the case, did he think that they would get a better deal?

[Gromit]

See the last sentence of my answer above.

[emmie]

but it's weak now, so wouldn't it have better to have gone it alone, and seen what happened, Cameron has fighting with one arm tied behind his back,

[ichkeria]

No one should be surprised at what is happening now - i.e. that the party that won the election in 2010 would soon become very unpopular (and would probably be weakened by being in a coalition). Most political commentators and many politicians were saying just that at the time. Cameron has two big problems: his economic policy (as predicted) and his right wing. He can't, in all honesty, do much about the latter: he just needs to weather the storm on that front. If the economy improves his poll rating will improve. Meanwhile, neither veering to the right, nor infusing his cabinet with some of the gay, black, female Tory MPs queueing for just such an opportunity, is going to save him, and certainly won't help in the Euro elections which I fear could be very embarrassing for sensible politics.

[Gromit]

Em10

You mean going it alone with
Conservatives 309 seats
The rest 341 seats

Do you really think that would have worked?

[mikey4444]

The difficulty for the Tories now is UKIP.

Before UKIP, if you were a racist you naturally turned to the right, ie the Tory Party. But now, our racists are confused by the choice they have to make !

Decisions decisions !

[mikey4444]

When they get unpopular, the Tories always think about changing the leader.

They lost the 1997 election under Major and replaced him with Hague. Then in 2001, they lost again and replaced Hague with Howard. In 2005 Howard lost the Tories their third consecutive election and they kicked him out and replaced him with IDS.

Changing the leader rarely works...if the party is unpopular, then change the policies not the leader. Otherwise all you are doing is moving the deckchairs around on the Titanic !

It can be argued that if Blair had still been leader of the Labour party in 2010, then all this talk about the Tories would have been academic. Brown would appear to be at fault for losing the election, not the Labour policies at the time.

The problem for the Tories now isn't who is the bloody leader. They could bring Mad Granny down from the attic or dig up Lord Snooty and it wouldn't matter a jot. Its UKIP that is the ghost at the feast. The Tories are terrified of UKIP. I am on record here on AB of referring to UKIP as mad as a box of frogs...even Cameron referred to them as closet racists, and whatever Cameron is, he is nobody's fool. But we have a lot of racists in Britain and UKIP will hoover up their votes in 2015.

No wonder the Tories are looking scared !

[anotheoldgit]

Ups I accidentally pressed 'Best Answer' while carrying out a copy and paste move, I bet that got one or two of you thinking?

This is what I should have pasted,

mikey4444

/// The difficulty for the Tories now is UKIP. Before UKIP, if you were a racist you naturally turned to the right, ie the Tory Party. But now, our racists are confused by the choice they have to make ! Decisions decisions !///

If one is a Tory one is a racist??????????

Now there is a most intelligent answer, (I am being sarcastic)

No wonder the word racist is loosing it's punch.

[eastern]

As I recall it the Lib Dems approached Labour with an eye to forming a coalition and they were blown out of the water, Labour wanted nothing to do with them. As for UKIP, all that's happening here is the same that happens all over Europe when there is disarray and poor leadership in a party everyone looks for a sort of protest vote and along comes UKIP to take those votes. The other thing that is in their favour is that everyone is totally fed up with the open door policy that the UK has on immigration, this is Labours elephant in the room as it was Tony Blair who stood up in the commons and said that there was no reason to restrict immigration into the UK as they didn't think that many people would come to the UK, well they got that one spectacularly wrong. There is one way to cut down immigration, stop making it so easy for them when they are here, some thing like having a two year limit before they can claim ANY benefits would be a start. Other countries in the E U don't roll over so easy. look at France they just decided there were too many and booted them all out, if they can do it why can't we.

[anotheoldgit]

Ah didn't realise one could change the best answer.

Good job, I didn't want it on record that the ramblings of mikey4444 was deemed the best answer by yours truly.

[Gromit]

// look at France they just decided there were too many and booted them all out, //

Did they? They were all there last time I looked.
Why big up France and put down this country with lies, are you french?

[pdq1]

Only one word for Cameron,frit. He is worried Clegg will abandon him and a new election would have to be called. Anyone who is a realist this is Cameron's last stand as no future Tory party could ever win an election without the help of some other minor party. He has studied the field and won't touch UKIP with a bargepole so he is left with schemer Clegg.

[Gromit]

// as no future Tory party could ever win an election without the help of some other minor party //

Piffle.

[youngmafbog]

Both their hands are tied. They will limp along until the next election and then labour will get in.

Than God help us all, as Labour certainly wont. although it will have a certain amusement factor watching them make a bigger mess of the one they created. Our only hope is that Darling changes his mind.

[eastern]

Gromit, I am most certainly non French. Also I am not "bigging" them up. I don't know if you remember a few years ago they got sick of all the, I think it was Romanians, in France so they all got kicked out. don't know how successful it was but the point I'm trying to make is we bow to Strasbourg at every threat whereas the French seem to do it, then wait for the consequences. Look at the situation with Abu Qatada as one big embarasment to the UK.

[emmie]

mickey, so because i put my cross against the tory party, i am automatically a racist, thank you so very much.