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Both the front runners for the French President election next year have said the agreement for the UK border to be in Calais can not continue!
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Just been on the TV news as well !
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Just been on the TV news as well !
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If this were to happen then all the illegals would have to do is plead asylum or refugee status or whatever it is they claim, and will get everything they ever wanted.
There would likely be very little done to send them back. Because where would they be sent to? Back to France where they will just get on the next train again until they manage to change their story enough to get to stay.
I was under the impression that you had to seek asylum etc at the first safe country you came to. If this is the case we should in fact get negligible amounts of actual refugees/asylum seekers on our doorstep.
Or have I got that wrong??
There would likely be very little done to send them back. Because where would they be sent to? Back to France where they will just get on the next train again until they manage to change their story enough to get to stay.
I was under the impression that you had to seek asylum etc at the first safe country you came to. If this is the case we should in fact get negligible amounts of actual refugees/asylum seekers on our doorstep.
Or have I got that wrong??
Yes cassa, they should (under UN and EU rules) claim asylum in the first safe country they arrive. This is rarely France and even more rarely the UK.
The fact is that the whole of mainland Europe has brought this problem on itself by its ridiculous Schengen Agreement which allows free rein to roam across the continent to anybody who gains a foothold in the area. The notion that France will load warships full of migrants and “dump” them in Dover is only a little more fanciful than the idea that P&O will allow thousands of them to embark in Calais on to the “Pride of Canterbury” (probably giving them six bottles of red or white wine to see them through). It is not in France’s interest to do this as all it will do is attract thousands more to the area. When the politicians properly set out their stall wiser counsel will prevail to persuade those of them stupid enough to propose such an idea - who are instrumental in this monumental cock-up – to think again.
Incidentally, the “le Touquet” agreement which allows juxtaposed border controls in the UK and France has nothing to do with the EU (and so is not affected by Brexit). It is a bilateral agreement between two countries – of the type “normal” countries enter into – and is not an EU measure at all.
The fact is that the whole of mainland Europe has brought this problem on itself by its ridiculous Schengen Agreement which allows free rein to roam across the continent to anybody who gains a foothold in the area. The notion that France will load warships full of migrants and “dump” them in Dover is only a little more fanciful than the idea that P&O will allow thousands of them to embark in Calais on to the “Pride of Canterbury” (probably giving them six bottles of red or white wine to see them through). It is not in France’s interest to do this as all it will do is attract thousands more to the area. When the politicians properly set out their stall wiser counsel will prevail to persuade those of them stupid enough to propose such an idea - who are instrumental in this monumental cock-up – to think again.
Incidentally, the “le Touquet” agreement which allows juxtaposed border controls in the UK and France has nothing to do with the EU (and so is not affected by Brexit). It is a bilateral agreement between two countries – of the type “normal” countries enter into – and is not an EU measure at all.
NJ; You said in you penultimate post //This is a French problem, created by the French who allowed vast numbers of illegal immigrants to cross their borders//
I want to point out that if they entered via one of France's bordering countries; Belgium, Germany, Italy, Switzerland or Spain there was nothing they could do to prevent them. Schengen is to blame, not the French.
I see you refer to this in your latest.
I want to point out that if they entered via one of France's bordering countries; Belgium, Germany, Italy, Switzerland or Spain there was nothing they could do to prevent them. Schengen is to blame, not the French.
I see you refer to this in your latest.
Eddie sounds more like Fraser off Dad's Army every day. Weeere Dooommmeed a tell ye.
Or the lesser known doom-merchant Vice-Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel
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Nothing new here, departure ports check that the person has right of entry to the destination. I flew from Luxembourg to London yesterday and at Luxembourg airport they checked my passport etc. Are they saying that these checks will no longer take place in France? I don't think so and even if they are we'll just make the carrier responsible. Non story.
"...Schengen is to blame, not the French. "
The French did not have to sign Schengen, Khandro. Any Schengen member now bleating about the consequences they are suffering have only themselves to blame. There was adequate warning that Schengen, like the euro, was a "fair weather" project. Sure it allows free movement to those entitled to be in the area. But it also allows the same for those not so entitled and there was adequate forwarning of the consequences of that. Schengen itself is not to blame - the signatories are.
The French did not have to sign Schengen, Khandro. Any Schengen member now bleating about the consequences they are suffering have only themselves to blame. There was adequate warning that Schengen, like the euro, was a "fair weather" project. Sure it allows free movement to those entitled to be in the area. But it also allows the same for those not so entitled and there was adequate forwarning of the consequences of that. Schengen itself is not to blame - the signatories are.
"...but those French signatories first signed as long ago as 1985 and are long gone. "
Yes it’s quite true that the current French government did not make the decision to join the Schengen zone. But current governments cannot blame their predecessors for unsatisfactory situations interminably. It has been clear for many years that the Schengen Agreement is causing huge grief across the continent and especially so in the last 12-18 months.
"Many contemporary politicians would see it abolished, or modified."
Then they should grow a pair and do something about it. The French government’s job is to govern in the best interests of the French people, not to sit on their hands and wail that nothing can be done. Of course it would bring them into dispute with their Lords and Masters in the EU, but that’s why they get paid. They apparently see no problem in shifting what is clearly a problem of their own (or their predecessors’) making across to the UK in clear breach of both UN and EU rules. So there should be similarly little problem in policing their borders, effectively withdrawing from the Schengen Agreement. But of course doing that would mean placing the needs and requirements of the French people above the requirement to accede to the “European Project”. It is easy to see where the French government’s priorities lie so that is clearly a non-starter. Free movement of people is one of that project’s proudest principles (which says little for the rest) whereas insisting that refugees apply for asylum in their first port of call does not particularly encroach on EU’s doctrine.
Yes it’s quite true that the current French government did not make the decision to join the Schengen zone. But current governments cannot blame their predecessors for unsatisfactory situations interminably. It has been clear for many years that the Schengen Agreement is causing huge grief across the continent and especially so in the last 12-18 months.
"Many contemporary politicians would see it abolished, or modified."
Then they should grow a pair and do something about it. The French government’s job is to govern in the best interests of the French people, not to sit on their hands and wail that nothing can be done. Of course it would bring them into dispute with their Lords and Masters in the EU, but that’s why they get paid. They apparently see no problem in shifting what is clearly a problem of their own (or their predecessors’) making across to the UK in clear breach of both UN and EU rules. So there should be similarly little problem in policing their borders, effectively withdrawing from the Schengen Agreement. But of course doing that would mean placing the needs and requirements of the French people above the requirement to accede to the “European Project”. It is easy to see where the French government’s priorities lie so that is clearly a non-starter. Free movement of people is one of that project’s proudest principles (which says little for the rest) whereas insisting that refugees apply for asylum in their first port of call does not particularly encroach on EU’s doctrine.
A poll carried out by France’s Institute for Opinion Research (IFOP) shows overwhelmingly that Europeans would like to see Schengen scrapped and border controls re-established between neighboring countries. Support for this move was highest in France, with 72 percent wanting the borders sealed. In Germany, 66 percent wanted to re-establish border controls, and 60 percent of Italians want the same.
The politicians I'm thinking of are mostly those in waiting (?), Marin le Pen & co.
The politicians I'm thinking of are mostly those in waiting (?), Marin le Pen & co.
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