Give Me Just One

[nailit]

piece of evidence that God exists...just one!
Have just been reading through the posts here on R&S and all I see are (tortuous) apologetics for ones own belief system. We have Theland who pleads with us to find salvation and then disappears. We have goodlife who appears incapable of thinking for himself and just copies and pastes. (typical JW from my experience) and keyplus who views the world through 'koran glasses' and cant even begin to see the world in any other way than that in which he has been brought up in.
All God believers, in my experience, seem to view unbelievers as been willfull sinners. They seem incapable of understanding that others have their own understanding of the world and that God plays no part in it because there is no EVIDENCE.
For the time being, I HAVE to be an honest atheist (or at best agnostic) because I value truth and evidence over faith (and there are so many faiths that I couldnt possibly choose one out of thousands even if I had to.)
SO...... Just one piece of evidence will suffice and then maybe I could take it from there and see if YOUR God might be the way forward.
I thank you.

[goodlife]

haha This still leaves the question, How did the atheist acquire his antisocial thinking patterns in the first place?

[jourdain2]

My last English vicar (Rod) was a double Phd. He had his Phd in Astro-Physics from Cambridge, then embarked on a course leading to a Phd in Theology (at some great financial and personal loss).

I once asked him what had changed the course of his life. He replied to the effect that the more he found out about the fundamentals of physical existence, planets etc., the more he began to realise that they could not have happened by accident.

[jourdain2]

^^^ I hit the wrong key, sorry.

You can't give proof, sorry. I was, at best, agnostic for many, many years and then something happened. It was quite sudden, I was not looking for anything, but God/Jesus (haven't a clue how you would phrase it - I'm not a theologian) was suddenly there and real for me. I would not, for the world, try to influence anyone to my belief. At the very worst it is a good way to live one's life. :)

[birdie1971]

idiosyncrasy - "... The truth is that we are surrounded by evidence of a Creator... Think about the stunning sunrise and sunsets..."

I'm sorry but this is a simplistic, almost childlike, appeal from personal incredulity which is a logical fallacy. The idea that you only look at the "nice" things and ignore the hideous, grotesque injustices in the world demonstrates that you really haven't thought this argument through properly. Stephen Fry says it far better than I:

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[birdie1971]

https://youtu.be/oR5hWbfZsYs

[RATTER15]

Good post birdie, Stephen fry. tells it how it is as usual.

[keyplus90]

Can you give me one evidence that God does not exist? And also tell what are the reasons behind your evidence.

[mikey4444]

Keyplus...its virtually impossible to prove a negative. Anyway, its up to theists to prove that God exists, not us atheists to disprove.

[naomi24]

Which god Keyplus? Zeus? Quetzalcoatl? Thor?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - you want us to believe a god exists - the onus is upon you to provide evidence.

[grasscarp]

Naomi. when you ask Which god we could ask you the same. Which one are you requiring to be proved?
You say - Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - you want us to believe a god exists - the onus is upon you to provide evidence.

The onus is equally on yourself to prove God does not exist - with evidence.
If you cant prove it then you have to admit there is a possibility that he does exist.

Personally I cannot imagine that this world had no a creator. There is so much that a human being has no powers over e.g. night and day, the weather, the tides, continents, races, the flora and fauna. You are adamant as an atheist that there is no creator and potentate. In your reasoned and well thought out understanding how did the world come into existence?
Pray tell.

[Zacs-Master]

'Personally I cannot imagine that this world had no a creator.'

That's only because science is so complex that we cannot fully understand its myriad functions / effects and origins. Your view is akin to a Brazillian tribesman trying to explain television.

[keyplus90]

Which God? How many do you know about? And more importantly what do you know about? And finally, what your knowledge is based upon?

[Zacs-Master]

Is that supposed to be English.^^^^

[beso]

grasscarp //Personally I cannot imagine that this world had no a creator. There is so much that a human being has no powers over e.g. night and day, the weather, the tides, continents, races, the flora and fauna. //

Your personal inability does not affect reality. Humans having no power over these things does not in any way suggest that there must be a god.

Night and day happens because the planet rotates on its axis more quickly then it orbits the Sun. Newton covered these laws long ago.

The weather is caused by chaotic movement of the atmosphere due to uneven heating.

Tides are caused by gravitation of the Moon and the Sun. Newton again.

The continents are move around due to the convective motions of the Earth's mantle. Well understood by science.

The origins of flora and fauna are thoroughly covered by Evolution.

[grasscarp]

grasscarp //Personally I cannot imagine that this world had no a creator. There is so much that a human being has no powers over e.g. night and day, the weather, the tides, continents, races, the flora and fauna. //

Your personal inability does not affect reality. Humans having no power over these things does not in any way suggest that there must be a god.

Night and day happens because the planet rotates on its axis more quickly then it orbits the Sun. Newton covered these laws long ago.

The weather is caused by chaotic movement of the atmosphere due to uneven heating.

Beso Tides are caused by gravitation of the Moon and the Sun. Newton again. Newton was a man trying to explain what was already happening. Man didn't cause it. Who did?

The continents are move around due to the convective motions of the Earth's mantle. Well understood by science. Yeh right. Understood, but who created continents, convection etc

The origins of flora and fauna are thoroughly covered by Evolution.
evolving from what? thin air?

You explain nothing about creation, only what is an interpretation by those left wondering about it all.

[Zacs-Master]

Care to answer my post Grass?

[-Talbot-]

Gizmonster
Prove God exists .... you can't ....

Prove God doesn't exist .... you can't ....

..... stalemate .....





God could prove he exists...I wonder why he doesn't?

[vulcan42]

\\ The onus is equally on yourself to prove God does not exist - with evidence.//
You will have to give us a bit more time on that one, the impossible does take a little longer.
You cannot prove something that you say exists yet you want us to prove, and provide evidence, that something doesn't exist.

[Zacs-Master]

Warning. Warning. Warning.
This thread has reached critical mass in will implode in 5....4.....3.....2....

[sevenOP]

grasscarp:> " In your reasoned and well thought out understanding how did the world come into existence? "

No tellers then ?