Are There Any Muslims

[wildwood]

who frequent this R&S category and are willing to publicly declared their outrage at the atrocities carried out by extremists in the name of Islam?

[naomi24]

Zacs, I don't think it carries more weight with the perpetrators. They view such dissenters as apostates and as lackeys of the west - but imagine the effect on them of seeing millions of Muslims taking to the streets worldwide to voice their opposition. That, I think, would come as a bit of a shock – and potentially a wake-up call. Sadly, it’s not going to happen.

[Zacs-Master]

No it isn't' so let's 'keep it real'.

[Zacs-Master]

A very good article here on their mentality / tactics:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/11094985/The-evil-mind-games-of-Islamic-State.html

[naomi24]

That's precisely what I'm doing.

[sandyRoe]

When "Thereligionofpeace.com" comments on matters Islamic should their views be given any more consideration than, say, the utterances of Ian Paisley when he was fulminating against Catholocism?

[FrogNog]

We didn't expect millions of Catholics to take to the streets to demonstrate against the IRA, or even their own internal issues with child abuse so we can hardly expect the same from normal Muslims.
It's just not practical to suggest it. I for one am happy to hear that Muslim groups are condemning this behaviour.

[naomi24]

sandyRoe/Frognog. The IRA didn’t pose a threat to the whole world. This situation bears no comparison.

sandyRoe, the link was posted to illustrate the outcome of numerous polls. Perhaps you didn’t read down that far.

[naomi24]

Frognog, ps. I too am happy to hear Islamic leaders condemn this behaviour - but I'd like to see more condemnation from the man in the street.

[Zacs-Master]

But, N, you've already admitted that this will not happen so why keep labouring a point you don't believe in?

[naomi24]

Zacs, the prospect of individuals condemning extremists is the topic of the thread. I didn't realise that sticking to the subject is or ever was considered to be 'labouring the point'.

[Zacs-Master]

(I wish some other people would join in, the two most interesting threads are turning into 'The Naomi and Zacs show)

Anyway, I'm well aware of what the OP is specifically about but I would have thought by admitting that your own wishes (for Muslims of the world to rise up and show outright condemnation) will not happen is kind of an end to your useful involvement.

By the way you only get first billing on 'our' show on an alphabetical basis, so don't let it go to your head ;-)

[naomi24]

Zacs, An end to my useful involvement? Charming! Never has anyone tried to silence me quite so courteously – but they failed too. ;o)

[Prudie]

This is way out of my league and I won't be able to argue my point intelligently but the IRA and other terrorist groups from the troubles were surely fighting for the ownership of their country not their religion. Their purpose was not to make N Ireland Catholic, just to get the British connection out, they didn't carry out their acts in the name of catholicism or protestantism so no reason for those denominations to feel guilty on their behalf. The motivation behind the Islam atrocities is to make Islam the sole religion across the world isn't it?

[naomi24]

Indeed it is Prudie. Pleased to see you here - and Zacs will be delighted. I think he's fed up having only me for company. :o)

[agchristie]

Morning all, I thought the parameters of the question were restricted to 'any Muslims on this site'!

Anyway, yes, I did say that religious leaders are speaking out but there does not appear to be the masses of Muslims on the streets. That raises the question, which has been discussed, is it sufficient and effective for the leaders to speak for them. I think it would give further credibility if they spoke out as individuals either through a petition or other means.

I think that answers the OP?

[Prudie]

Well so far the answer to the OP seems to be 'no there are not any Muslims who frequent the R&S category who are willing to declare their outrage).
Either because there aren't any or they haven't read it yet.

[pixie373]

I agree with 2sp (much as she's been patronised here) and prudie. I've made that point before. Asking Muslims to apologise/explain or prove they're outraged about extremists is as logical as asking all men to prove they're outraged about rape. She is right.

[DTCwordfan]

Well, my twopennies worth and no doubt I will be machine gunned.

Thousands or hundreds of thousands of Muslims on the streets of Jakarta, Karachi, Islamabad, Ürümqi, Harbin, Cairo, Tripoli, Lagos, etc etc wiould help but it ain't likely to happen. The solution must lie within fellow Sunnite countries or near Sunnites - and here I point the finger at Saudi Arabia to step forward and take action, politically or lead the military fight and pull in the likes of Turkey and Iran - who are also very concerned with IS, as has been reported.

A friend of mine was back from just north of Jeddah last weekend and said the place is going 'shitless' over what is happen, youngsters (and both sexes too) are being called up, security is being tightened up enormously so, and they are preparing at least to defend - but what is needed is for them to go onto the front foot - and that is where I would have Cameron, Obama and the rest pressing - a squeeze from Iran, Turkey and Saudi and where can they go, especially if Russia and its satellites were to oblige, the UK/US/French/Chinese navies etc standing off in the Gulf and Med......

The one question that the leaders need to address is what happens in the event of a vacuum, something that the idiot political priests in the form of Blair and Bush failed to address as to Iraq round 2.

[DTCwordfan]

And yes, we may be looking at another Crusade......but let the 'good Muslims' lead it.

[agchristie]

DTC - can you or someone clarify though, one thing I've read many times on here in particular is that Saudi Arabia are funding IS? If so, that's not a good starting point?