Body & Soul1 min ago
Are There Any Muslims
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who frequent this R&S category and are willing to publicly declared their outrage at the atrocities carried out by extremists in the name of Islam?
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. . . or perhaps they're a scared to speak out against anything that has been done in the name of their own religion . . . sometimes silence speaks volumes.
19:30 Fri 12th Sep 2014
USA John Kerry asks moderate muslims to repudiate the distortion of Islam that ISIS spread and to define the 'real' Islam.
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One hears of the general outcry and condemnation by the Muslim communities worldwide when an image of Allah is drawn and/or published. I was just wondering if the 'peace-loving' moderate Muslims would publicly criticise the fellow Islam followers who perform extremely horrible unjustified abominations.
2sp_ - "... Personally I don't look to the normal, moderate and reasonable Muslim to publicly condemn the actions taken by extremists any more than I look to all men to apologise for rapists..."
I think you've rather missed the point and your analogy is extremely poor and inappropriate. It's safe to say that the vast majority of men abhor rape and decry rapists. They don't apologise for the existence of rapists because that would be absurd. It is equally absurd to ask your common-or-garden muslim to apologise for the actions of IS and other extremist Islamic groups. But of course, that's not what is being asked is it?
No one is saying that 'moderate' muslims should have to *apologise* for the actions of IS and their ilk. What is being asked is where is the publicly declared outrage from 'moderate' muslim groups at the atrocities (ie. genocide, rapes, slavery, torture, etc.) carried out by IS? Asking for an apology and speaking out against the actions of a third party are not one and the same thing.
It's a very valid and interesting question because of the number of occasions in recent times where large numbers of muslims have taken to the streets to protest about what they perceive to be insults to their Islamic faith or attacks on their Islamic 'brothers'. The recent mass protests around the world about the cartoons of Mohammed are a case in point. It seems that a large crowd of angry muslims can be rustled up at the drop of a hat if there's even a suggestion of their Islamic sensibilities being offended.
But the mass murder and genocide of non-muslims for entirely religious reasons barely seems to raise a 'moderate' muslim's eyebrows. How very, very interesting don't you think?
I think you've rather missed the point and your analogy is extremely poor and inappropriate. It's safe to say that the vast majority of men abhor rape and decry rapists. They don't apologise for the existence of rapists because that would be absurd. It is equally absurd to ask your common-or-garden muslim to apologise for the actions of IS and other extremist Islamic groups. But of course, that's not what is being asked is it?
No one is saying that 'moderate' muslims should have to *apologise* for the actions of IS and their ilk. What is being asked is where is the publicly declared outrage from 'moderate' muslim groups at the atrocities (ie. genocide, rapes, slavery, torture, etc.) carried out by IS? Asking for an apology and speaking out against the actions of a third party are not one and the same thing.
It's a very valid and interesting question because of the number of occasions in recent times where large numbers of muslims have taken to the streets to protest about what they perceive to be insults to their Islamic faith or attacks on their Islamic 'brothers'. The recent mass protests around the world about the cartoons of Mohammed are a case in point. It seems that a large crowd of angry muslims can be rustled up at the drop of a hat if there's even a suggestion of their Islamic sensibilities being offended.
But the mass murder and genocide of non-muslims for entirely religious reasons barely seems to raise a 'moderate' muslim's eyebrows. How very, very interesting don't you think?
wildwood - "Are there any muslims who frequent this R&S category and are willing to publicly declared their outrage at the atrocities carried out by extremists in the name of Islam?"
Keyplus - "There you again."
That would be a "No" from you then Keyplus.
Since you voluntarily posted to this particular thread and since you are a muslim, you could have written something to the effect of, "I don't approve of their actions". But instead you chose to write, "There you go again" - a one line message that suggests you're far more concerned about how Islam is perceived than you are about the mass murder of innocents in foreign lands.
Par for the course eh?
Keyplus - "There you again."
That would be a "No" from you then Keyplus.
Since you voluntarily posted to this particular thread and since you are a muslim, you could have written something to the effect of, "I don't approve of their actions". But instead you chose to write, "There you go again" - a one line message that suggests you're far more concerned about how Islam is perceived than you are about the mass murder of innocents in foreign lands.
Par for the course eh?
// Why do we expect them to prove that outrage? //
Perhaps because given the fact they're not slow to prove their outrage on any number of other subjects, it's strange that they're so reticent in condemning some of the appalling things currently being done in the name of their religion.
It's especially strange considering it leads people to jump to the wrong conclusion about the peaceful nature of that religion. You'd think they'd be keen to prevent such misconceptions occurring.
Perhaps because given the fact they're not slow to prove their outrage on any number of other subjects, it's strange that they're so reticent in condemning some of the appalling things currently being done in the name of their religion.
It's especially strange considering it leads people to jump to the wrong conclusion about the peaceful nature of that religion. You'd think they'd be keen to prevent such misconceptions occurring.
"It's especially strange considering it leads people to jump to the wrong conclusion about the peaceful nature of that religion."
As IS claim a specifically religious justification for their new Caliphate, you (as a moderate, decent Muslim) might interpret their actions as insults to the Prophet and therefore blasphemous. Any non-Muslim might then go on to ponder the disproportion between the response to beheadings, crucifixions and the desecration of holy sites practised by IS and the response provoked by the publication of "The Satanic Verses".
As IS claim a specifically religious justification for their new Caliphate, you (as a moderate, decent Muslim) might interpret their actions as insults to the Prophet and therefore blasphemous. Any non-Muslim might then go on to ponder the disproportion between the response to beheadings, crucifixions and the desecration of holy sites practised by IS and the response provoked by the publication of "The Satanic Verses".
2sp_ - "birdie - 'It's safe to say that the vast majority of men abhor rape and decry rapists'... That is my point. It's also safe to say that the vast majority of Muslims abhor these atrocities being carried out by extremists... Why do we expect them to prove that outrage?"
Because they should.
Morality dictates that if something is being done in your name and you strongly disagree with it then you should stand up and be counted. Take the Iraq war for example. Over a million people marched in London to protest about it. They declared publicly that they profoundly disagreed with their own government's actions.
Where is the Islamic march against the murderous group called IS (and Boko Haram) that is butchering its way through the Middle East and northern Africa? Nowhere, that's where.
I don't find that in the least bit surprising since I've read the Koran and I know what it says about the goals of Islam and the methods with which it will use to achieve them. I also don't find it in the least bit surprising to learn that you yourself are a muslim and that you haven't as yet even hinted at the fact that IS and Boko Haram are a group of murderous lunatics that kill for pleasure under the banner of Islam.
In case you're unaware, IS and Boko Haram are systematically murdering their 'enemies'. They are murdering every un-islamic male over the age of 18. They are raping women and children and selling them into slavery. They are evil. Pure, unadulterated evil - all in the name of Islam.
And I haven't heard you criticise them. Interesting.
Because they should.
Morality dictates that if something is being done in your name and you strongly disagree with it then you should stand up and be counted. Take the Iraq war for example. Over a million people marched in London to protest about it. They declared publicly that they profoundly disagreed with their own government's actions.
Where is the Islamic march against the murderous group called IS (and Boko Haram) that is butchering its way through the Middle East and northern Africa? Nowhere, that's where.
I don't find that in the least bit surprising since I've read the Koran and I know what it says about the goals of Islam and the methods with which it will use to achieve them. I also don't find it in the least bit surprising to learn that you yourself are a muslim and that you haven't as yet even hinted at the fact that IS and Boko Haram are a group of murderous lunatics that kill for pleasure under the banner of Islam.
In case you're unaware, IS and Boko Haram are systematically murdering their 'enemies'. They are murdering every un-islamic male over the age of 18. They are raping women and children and selling them into slavery. They are evil. Pure, unadulterated evil - all in the name of Islam.
And I haven't heard you criticise them. Interesting.
Perhaps 2sp and anyone else who thinks likewise will understand this.
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In answer to the OP. From the BBC website:
Senior UK imams and British Muslim community leaders have also condemned the killing.
"An attack on a British citizen is an attack on Britain and we raise our voices as a community united to deplore the actions of the terrorists Isis," Dr Qari Asim, imam of the Makkah Mosque in Leeds said.
Sayed Ali Abbas Razawi, from Majlis-e-Ulama, which represents the majority of Shia Muslims in the UK and Europe, said militants were hiding behind a "false interpretation" of Islam, describing the group as "criminals and villains".
The president of the Islamic Society of Britain, Sughra Ahmed, said: "If someone who commits such evil and such heinous crimes calls themselves the Islamic Sate, then we need to understand actually that there's nothing Islamic and there's nothing state-like or legal about the work that they're doing, about the acts that they are committing."
Senior UK imams and British Muslim community leaders have also condemned the killing.
"An attack on a British citizen is an attack on Britain and we raise our voices as a community united to deplore the actions of the terrorists Isis," Dr Qari Asim, imam of the Makkah Mosque in Leeds said.
Sayed Ali Abbas Razawi, from Majlis-e-Ulama, which represents the majority of Shia Muslims in the UK and Europe, said militants were hiding behind a "false interpretation" of Islam, describing the group as "criminals and villains".
The president of the Islamic Society of Britain, Sughra Ahmed, said: "If someone who commits such evil and such heinous crimes calls themselves the Islamic Sate, then we need to understand actually that there's nothing Islamic and there's nothing state-like or legal about the work that they're doing, about the acts that they are committing."
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