Who Was The Creator?

[naomi24]

The God of Abraham is just one among many.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creator_deity

Other ideas welcome.

[Zacs-Master]

I thought it was Gene Rodennberry.

[naomi24]

Now you're talking!

[Zacs-Master]

:-))

[Khandro]

SIQ; Yes, you may be opening a new can of worms, but what you call the music of maths is a truly remarkable 'discovery' (not an invention) by Pythagoras, though he had visited India by the way, so along with 'his' theorem, he probably found it all there: pluck a string and sound a note, then pluck an equally taut string twice as long, and you hear a new note one harmonic octave below the first. This is the kind of fact I really like, relying as it does on both aesthetics and science.

[naomi24]

//though he [Pythagoras] had visited India by the way//

Evidence please.

[Khandro]

^^ Why ask me? you can find your own links if you google 'Pythagoras in India'.

[naomi24]

I'm asking you because you said it. Have you been reading, and believing, books written by fantasists again?

[jomifl]

Ok I suppose we could call it the periodic table according to Mendeleev. There have been other periodic tables but the Mendeleev version fits the data best. That doesn't alter the fact that the relative properties of atoms existed before humans.

[Khandro]

Naomi; //Have you been reading, and believing, books written by fantasists again?//
No, I use Answerbank for that. :-)
jomifl; //That doesn't alter the fact that the relative properties of atoms existed before humans.// Errr, - precisely what I said previously.

[solvitquick]

Dear Naomi,
I suppose you are just playing with us now:).
Soon after saying "Now you're talking!" to ZM's "answer" of Gene Rodennberry, you then ask Khandro "have you been reading and believing books written by fantastists again?"
Slightly amusing approach but a bit odd.
Yours,
SIQ.

[solvitquick]

Dear Khandro,
Well done on your latest posts - good to see ya back on song.
Yours,
SIQ.

[naomi24]

solvitquick, what a suspicious mind you have! Khandro knows what I’m talking about – but since you’re interested I’ll share it with you. I referred to a book he recommended to me about Jesus in India which turned out, in the main, to be nothing more than the author’s fantasy, offering no evidence to support its claims – hence I suspect that whatever he’s read about Pythagoras in India contains nothing of substance either. Nevertheless, I would like to know what it was – but sadly he’s reluctant to tell me. Can’t think why. :o)

My response to Zac’s suggestion: what if we all exist in ‘The Matrix’? ;o)

[Khandro]

Naomi; //– hence I suspect that whatever he’s read about Pythagoras in India contains nothing of substance either.//
I suggested at 23:38 Fri. that all you need do if you really want to know, is to type "Pythagoras in India" into Google, have you done that? I suspect not, because you are more interested in confrontation that information.
The 3,4,5, formula for constructing a right-angled triangle was known there and used in architecture long before his time. He may, or may not have added the squares himself to complete the theorem after his visit, but that is really a logical development of the principle.
Regarding the Holger Kersten book(s). I'm not really prepared to begin all of that with you again. However if you wish to start a thread outlining why you think some of these proposals are "fantasy" I might be prepared to give rejoinder.

[jomifl]

jomifl; //That doesn't alter the fact that the relative properties of atoms existed before humans.// Errr, - precisely what I said previously.
No you didn't.
By the way the string has to be made of the same material or have the same physical properties..you forgot to mention that.

[jim360]

That people had discovered the result that squares in a right-angled triangle are directly related before Pythagoras is pretty uncontroversial. I don't see that it matters too much. The amount of mis-attribution in Maths and Science is sometimes unbelievable. The biggest contribution the Greeks made was to take the statement that a^2+b^2=c^2 in such triangles, and then prove it unambiguously for every such triangle. That step is one that a lot of mathematicians before the Greeks didn't make. Possibly because they couldn't really see the point, but then History of Maths is a whole subject in itself.

I'm fairly sure that any statement that runs "Pythagoras did x", or "Pythagoras visited this place", is too bold. I think there are still some doubts over what he did at all, given that the earliest sources about his life and works decide some hundreds of years after he was supposed to have existed, so little if anything is certain about his life -- including, perhaps, whether he was a single person at all. Still, the idea that he got the theorem from India (or perhaps Babylon?) is not all that far-fetched, really.

[jomifl]

And the Indians got it from the Chinese and they got it from....this is beginning to sound familiar .. I know the answer...the blind watchmaker..

[solvitquick]

Dear Naomi,
Just curious about your support for ZM's silly answer to your question which I thought was serious, although obviously unanswerable outside of mankind's invention.
Ty for explaining the background to your words addressed to Khandro.
O.K., you say Khandro's reference was wrong but it cannot be more fantastical than Gene Rodennberry.
A pity about the juxtaposition of your posts about fantasy.
Kind Regards,
SIQ.

[naomi24]

Khandro, //you are more interested in confrontation that information.//

Careful …. you’re getting personal again. Actually, I relish information – but what I don’t like is misinformation. The reality is if you didn’t claim speculation to be fact eg, “Pythagoras, though he had visited India by the way”, there would be no need to confront you. I really wouldn’t like people to read stuff like that and assume that you know what you’re talking about.

Yes, I did google it – and the results were many, so I still don’t know what you’re advising me to read.

//Regarding the Holger Kersten book(s). I'm not really prepared to begin all of that with you again.//

You didn’t begin it with me before. I said I thought Jesus may have ended up in India, you agreed and recommended the book, and when I came back and said I thought it a pity that the author had allowed his imagination such free rein – or words to that effect – you said little more, so the book was never really discussed. However, if you’d like to discuss it now please point me towards any particular chapters that you feel offer some sort of evidence and I’ll be very happy to re-read them.

Jim. //I don't see that it matters too much.//

It matters.

solvitquick , when I’m joking along with another poster I must remember to make it absolutely clear that it is a joke. I thought Zacs’ big smile might have been a bit of a clue, but apparently not. Apologies for any confusion caused. MTH.

[jim360]

Why does it matter who first discovered the full proof to Pythagoras' Theorem? At least, in the context of this thread. It's obviously historically important, just not mathematically important/ "Who was the creator important". The theorem is correct regardless of who first said so.