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Does fate exist?
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Is life pre planned or does free will shape our lives? why do some inexplicable situations occur that appear to lend themselves to fate or are they really just a bizarre co-incidence?
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That would be to help prolong our lives and relieve us from pain; this life being the most precious thing we have since the existence of an afterlife is vanishingly small and hasn't been proved either logically or empirically.
A more pertinent question would be to ask why a person such as yourself bothers to take medicine. Since you sincerely believe that this mortal life is simply a dress rehearsal for the real thing that occurs after your death, why would you want to put off meeting god? Particularly if your god has seen fit to give you a disease or illness. By taking the man-made medicine it would seem to me that you are deliberately attempting to derail the plan that god has put in place for you.
That would be to help prolong our lives and relieve us from pain; this life being the most precious thing we have since the existence of an afterlife is vanishingly small and hasn't been proved either logically or empirically.
A more pertinent question would be to ask why a person such as yourself bothers to take medicine. Since you sincerely believe that this mortal life is simply a dress rehearsal for the real thing that occurs after your death, why would you want to put off meeting god? Particularly if your god has seen fit to give you a disease or illness. By taking the man-made medicine it would seem to me that you are deliberately attempting to derail the plan that god has put in place for you.
Mankind can have a very bright future. The earth will be transformed into a paradise where peace and security will reign. (Psalm 37:9-11; 46:8, 9) That future is certain because the God will fulfill his promises. (Isaiah 55:11) But our being blessed with life in Paradise does not depend on fate; it is to be enjoyed as a result of our obediently doing God’s will at this time, the choice is in your hand.
Naomi - /////Jom, I was going to mention that - but then I thought 'let's not go there'. ;o)////
You can’t agree with whatever I would say just for the sake of it as I am supposed to be the opposition. And you can’t even digest that someone else understood before you did, (and agreed) about something what I said. “Oh, yes I saw that too but………………”.
You can’t agree with whatever I would say just for the sake of it as I am supposed to be the opposition. And you can’t even digest that someone else understood before you did, (and agreed) about something what I said. “Oh, yes I saw that too but………………”.
The thing is, birdie, that despite the name pre-planning and predetermination is not the same thing. Pre-planning requires something to exist that is able to plan a course to a desired goal, whereas predetermination merely says any control you have is illusionary and what unfolds next is an inevitable consequence of the existing state of things and unalterable.
Of your 4 possibilities, the first needs a large discussion on what the heck 'free will' is supposed to be. When I try to analyse it, it seems to be either the ability to come to a best decision outside of any influences but as an innate ability (which AI machines can already accomplish) or the more amazing, an ability to deliberately chose a less likely to be correct decision just for the heck of it. All very weird, and IMO seems unlikely.
Option two is about having limited 'free will' (whatever it is) within a determined framework. It seems to me to probably be a contradiction but I guess it depends on how one defines things.
Initially option three seems absurd but one could argue that outside events are truly random, merely seeming to be predetermined, and 'free will' is actually an illusion; so we are just along for the ride. That if we were able to return to a previous point in time and let time 'flow' again it could take a different path.
Option four seems most likely to me given the lack of evidence for 'free will'. Are we not all subject to how our brains are 'wired up' and the circumstances we find ourselves in, when we make decisions ? something we don't seem to have much control over since to have control over what gives us control would be like a machine creating itself from nothing. Why would option four not be the reasonable conclusion ?
Of your 4 possibilities, the first needs a large discussion on what the heck 'free will' is supposed to be. When I try to analyse it, it seems to be either the ability to come to a best decision outside of any influences but as an innate ability (which AI machines can already accomplish) or the more amazing, an ability to deliberately chose a less likely to be correct decision just for the heck of it. All very weird, and IMO seems unlikely.
Option two is about having limited 'free will' (whatever it is) within a determined framework. It seems to me to probably be a contradiction but I guess it depends on how one defines things.
Initially option three seems absurd but one could argue that outside events are truly random, merely seeming to be predetermined, and 'free will' is actually an illusion; so we are just along for the ride. That if we were able to return to a previous point in time and let time 'flow' again it could take a different path.
Option four seems most likely to me given the lack of evidence for 'free will'. Are we not all subject to how our brains are 'wired up' and the circumstances we find ourselves in, when we make decisions ? something we don't seem to have much control over since to have control over what gives us control would be like a machine creating itself from nothing. Why would option four not be the reasonable conclusion ?
Free will isn't free. It implies that one has an alternative and comes at a price. It is reason which reveals what alternatives are available and which is the better choice, the most fundamental being that which pays for the privilege of free will, the choice to think or not to think . . . Can you choose wisely?
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