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Zac Loses Richmond By-Election
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Massive loss for the Tory Party. Well done LibDems. Good result for the STAY campaign as well.
I'm off back to bed now !
Massive loss for the Tory Party. Well done LibDems. Good result for the STAY campaign as well.
I'm off back to bed now !
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///Sqad, do you even live in this country?///
Does it invalidate my comments? [SQ]
no but it has relevance considering a minister in London is proposing to deprive you of your residence rights in Thpain by a stroke of his pen !
The supreme court case on "Can a minister do Brexit or does it have to be parliament" starts today ! [ by the way]
Does it invalidate my comments? [SQ]
no but it has relevance considering a minister in London is proposing to deprive you of your residence rights in Thpain by a stroke of his pen !
The supreme court case on "Can a minister do Brexit or does it have to be parliament" starts today ! [ by the way]
For Funks Sake Goldsmith used to be a Tory and although he will in all likelihood retain many of, for not most, of his Tory ideals he ran as an independent.
Had the Tories put a candidate forward the vote would have been split and those that would normally vote Tory would have probably have done. All this has done is prove they didn't like Goldsmith not the Tories. So in reality the Tories could well stomp home again in an election that they field a candidate.
MIkey is as usual clutching at straws to make himself feel better.
Had the Tories put a candidate forward the vote would have been split and those that would normally vote Tory would have probably have done. All this has done is prove they didn't like Goldsmith not the Tories. So in reality the Tories could well stomp home again in an election that they field a candidate.
MIkey is as usual clutching at straws to make himself feel better.
//Richmond Park was one of most anti-Brexit constituencies in the country, with an estimated 72% voting Remain.//
Soooo wrong^^^
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Soooo wrong^^^
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"I'm fine with Zac resigning on principle and keeping a promise he made; you don't see many kept promises from MPs. But his stand on Heathrow was undermined because the LibDems are against more runways too, so voters were free to elect them instead. Richmond was a heavy Remain area, as I recall. "
Yes full marks to him, to be fair, for not backing down, but when was it he made his promise? If it was post-the referendum then it was pretty rash. He was passionately against the runway, but, in a very strong pro-Remain area he also came out for Brexit. Then his main opponent in the by election turned out to be also anti-runway but of course a supporter of the EU.
So who could possibly have predicted that?? Having covered himself in less than glory in the London Mayoral election too, this was always likely to be about the EU and nothing else, even if he had won
Yes full marks to him, to be fair, for not backing down, but when was it he made his promise? If it was post-the referendum then it was pretty rash. He was passionately against the runway, but, in a very strong pro-Remain area he also came out for Brexit. Then his main opponent in the by election turned out to be also anti-runway but of course a supporter of the EU.
So who could possibly have predicted that?? Having covered himself in less than glory in the London Mayoral election too, this was always likely to be about the EU and nothing else, even if he had won
Not quite sure what the "soooo wrong" is about, when your link appears to validate the statistic quoted.
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I suppose it's natural for anyone supporting Remain to be excited about this result, but it is in the end only one by-election, and fought in a highly-pro-remain constituency at that, so may not mean much in the long run really. On the other hand it does raise, again, the problem that the referendum posed, namely that there could well be a huge clash on the way between parliamentary and direct democracy in this country. If the Lib Dems are able to unite the Remain voters in a future general election (it's a big if, to be sure), then they would almost certainly end up winning a majority in parliament. And they are pro-Remain. What happens if this does come to pass, say because the Article 50 process hasn't concluded by the time of the next election?
I suppose more likely is that this just gives Theresa May et al incentive to hurry up and deliver their promise to honour the referendum result, making the question irrelevant, but it remains a fact that the entire Brexit process is bound to exposes issues with our own democracy, and it's a serious mistake to ignore them.
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I suppose it's natural for anyone supporting Remain to be excited about this result, but it is in the end only one by-election, and fought in a highly-pro-remain constituency at that, so may not mean much in the long run really. On the other hand it does raise, again, the problem that the referendum posed, namely that there could well be a huge clash on the way between parliamentary and direct democracy in this country. If the Lib Dems are able to unite the Remain voters in a future general election (it's a big if, to be sure), then they would almost certainly end up winning a majority in parliament. And they are pro-Remain. What happens if this does come to pass, say because the Article 50 process hasn't concluded by the time of the next election?
I suppose more likely is that this just gives Theresa May et al incentive to hurry up and deliver their promise to honour the referendum result, making the question irrelevant, but it remains a fact that the entire Brexit process is bound to exposes issues with our own democracy, and it's a serious mistake to ignore them.
// Soooo wrong^^^ //
But your link shows it is sooo right. Only Labour's Kate Hoey has a higher number of remainers (78%) than Richmond.
Richmond Park is unusual in that the sitting MP was fighting a by-election. Most by-elections are not like that. In future by elections, the selection process will have to reflect the local Brexit vote. Obviously, if the Conservative had to choose a candidate, they would have picked a soft Brexiteer in an area that voted 72% to remain. Goldsmith would not have been the candidate if this was a normal by-election.
But your link shows it is sooo right. Only Labour's Kate Hoey has a higher number of remainers (78%) than Richmond.
Richmond Park is unusual in that the sitting MP was fighting a by-election. Most by-elections are not like that. In future by elections, the selection process will have to reflect the local Brexit vote. Obviously, if the Conservative had to choose a candidate, they would have picked a soft Brexiteer in an area that voted 72% to remain. Goldsmith would not have been the candidate if this was a normal by-election.
Not a good result for Labour either: admittedly they were never going to win here, but Labour voters in places like Richmond tent to be stubborn souls who stick to their guns. And yet their vote more or less disappeared.
The Lib Dems meanwhile are on the march in many places: not just threatening the Tories but also Labour: for example in Sheffield (where Nick Clegg just held on in 2015) they annihilated Labour in a council ward which had been Labour for 70 years with a greater swing than Richmond.
The Lib Dems can't win an election though, so even with the Tories in a mess, they are still likely to win any election going as long as Labour continue as they are. Or until we see a political alignment.
The Lib Dems meanwhile are on the march in many places: not just threatening the Tories but also Labour: for example in Sheffield (where Nick Clegg just held on in 2015) they annihilated Labour in a council ward which had been Labour for 70 years with a greater swing than Richmond.
The Lib Dems can't win an election though, so even with the Tories in a mess, they are still likely to win any election going as long as Labour continue as they are. Or until we see a political alignment.
No, it isn't the start of a 'backlash', it's London see! - and a special part of it too.
Goldsmith just seems to be a born loser, and he doesn't have the same stake in the country as the majority - he can now do as he's always done, whatever he wants, because he is fortunate enough to have a personal fortune, unlike many of the disheartened and disgruntled working classes outside of the metropolis who don't really give a toss whether Heathrow has a 3rd runway or not, but care about things like the sovereignty of their country and it's immigration policy.
Goldsmith just seems to be a born loser, and he doesn't have the same stake in the country as the majority - he can now do as he's always done, whatever he wants, because he is fortunate enough to have a personal fortune, unlike many of the disheartened and disgruntled working classes outside of the metropolis who don't really give a toss whether Heathrow has a 3rd runway or not, but care about things like the sovereignty of their country and it's immigration policy.
"disheartened and disgruntled working classes outside of the metropolis who don't really give a toss whether Heathrow has a 3rd runway or not, but care about things like the sovereignty of their country and it's immigration policy. "
The classic mantra of the far right: "we love our country above all else". Trouble is that mentality is used to oppress and impoverish people as surely as anything the "global elites" do. I oppose the runway too, on environmental grounds, but the argument for it, on economic ones, is likely to affect the wealth of the nation in at least some small way
The classic mantra of the far right: "we love our country above all else". Trouble is that mentality is used to oppress and impoverish people as surely as anything the "global elites" do. I oppose the runway too, on environmental grounds, but the argument for it, on economic ones, is likely to affect the wealth of the nation in at least some small way
ichkeria, yes, he aligned himself with his constituency over Heathrow but not Brexit (and was well offside with London generally in his mayoral campaign). The Heathrow promise was made a year ago, not after the referendum.
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Since Cameron had also promised - before the last election - that Heathrow wouldn't be expanded, no ifs, no buts, it probably seemed like a risk-free vow at the time; none the less, he stood by it.
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Since Cameron had also promised - before the last election - that Heathrow wouldn't be expanded, no ifs, no buts, it probably seemed like a risk-free vow at the time; none the less, he stood by it.
The vote was not about Heathrow. Mother Theresa is playing a craftier game than she is given credit for. If the Conservatives had fielded anybody officially, anyone in the cabinet or even herself, the Libercace Richmond remoaners were going to come out in force to make one final protest before Brexit rolls on. As it is she is now rid of the walking talking vanity project that is Goldsmith. Is he ever going to be chosen again anywhere as a Conservative candidate for Parliament? Job done. I would have thought that the one thing the Richmond would be rulers of the universe actually did want is easier access to their European watering holes and playgrounds.
Togo....its you that are so wrong at 11:17....you need to do your research a little better !
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Richmond upon Thames
Area total
Remain: 75,396
Leave: 33,410
Electorate: 132,632 Verified Ballot Papers: 108,888 Turnout: 82.1% Ballot Papers Counted : 108,876 Valid Votes: 108,806 Rejected Ballots: 70
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Richmond upon Thames
Area total
Remain: 75,396
Leave: 33,410
Electorate: 132,632 Verified Ballot Papers: 108,888 Turnout: 82.1% Ballot Papers Counted : 108,876 Valid Votes: 108,806 Rejected Ballots: 70
cassa ....11:13.....I don't need to make myself feel better !
The Tories suffered a tremendous defeat yesterday in Richmond. They lost an MP that they presumably thought so highly of, that they let him stand against the Labour candidate in the Mayoral Election, a battle that he and they lost.
They also gained another seat for the Libdems ....so yesterday was a good day for the Opposition and a bad one for the Tories.
The Tories suffered a tremendous defeat yesterday in Richmond. They lost an MP that they presumably thought so highly of, that they let him stand against the Labour candidate in the Mayoral Election, a battle that he and they lost.
They also gained another seat for the Libdems ....so yesterday was a good day for the Opposition and a bad one for the Tories.
"If the Conservatives had fielded anybody officially, anyone in the cabinet or even herself, the Libercace Richmond remoaners were going to come out in force to make one final protest before Brexit rolls on. "
Well of course they didn't, for the simple non-Brexit-related reason that they would have had two Tories running and even with a 23,000 majority .....
And what happened? The Libercace (??) remoaners came out in force and ....
Well of course they didn't, for the simple non-Brexit-related reason that they would have had two Tories running and even with a 23,000 majority .....
And what happened? The Libercace (??) remoaners came out in force and ....
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