Poland Says No To Cameron's Bid To Reform Eu Migrant Benefits.

[anotheoldgit]

/// In a blistering attack Janusz Lewandowski, the chief economic adviser to Polish president Ewa Kopacz, said Mr Cameron has no chance of curbing migrants' access to benefits in Britain. ///

No surprise there then, they know when they are on to a good thing.

Don't waste your time Dave, most of us want out.

[Gromit]

The Poles haven't really thought this through.
If the UK does not get some kind of concession then we will leave the EU. So no Poles (or other EU migrant) would have automatic access to British jobs. If the economic advisor had any nouce, they should be creating jobs in Poland, not exporting their unemployed abroad.

[New Judge]

Exactly. No surprise.

The Prime Minister has not a hope in hell of securng any major or significant changes to our current relationship with the EU. Anything of significance will require unanimity among the other 27 members and since between them they would have difficulty agreeing to tea or coffee (or, mor likely, red or white wine) for refreshments at their "summits" agreement on major issues is impossible.

Over the coming months we shall see many clips of the PM shuffling around Europe holding "discussions" with other leaders. But that's all they will be - discussions. He might as well save us the air fares.

A referndum needs to be held now and the question posed should be does the UK want to remain part of the EU as it is now. Because that's how it will remain.

[VHG]

>>>most of us want out.

I am not sure that is true and a vote to stay in / get out will be very close.

For years I have wanted to get out, as I hate many things about the EU, however I do think some large companies will leave the UK and set up their headquarters in Europe if we leave.

I think we should try to stay in, but change some of the "rules" (as Cameron is trying to do).

I don't think total unlimited movement of people between countries should be allowed, because in principle EVERY person in the EU has the right to come here (or to go to any country) which is untenable.

There should be limits of people movement between countries per year based on the home population and the population of the country you are going to.

This is to protect smaller countries being swamped.

And I think there should also be a total for the year of people who can come from EU countries to your country, once that limit has been reached no more can come till the next year.

I am also against paying child benefit AT THE UK RATE to children living in Poland etc. If we do have to pay child benefit then pay it at THEIR rate not ours (personally I think scrap it all together).

I also don't think a person from the EU should have the right to come here, marry an illegal immigrant, and that gives the illegal immigrant the right to stay in the UK.

Why should a Polish person (for example) have the say so on who can stay here, particularly as it is probably a sham marriage anyway.

[Gromit]

Cameron wil get reassurances and possibly a couple of opt outs. Then Cameron will claim a great victory and campaign to stay in. Come the vote their will be dire warnings about leaving from just about everyone. The public will get nervous and vote to stay in.

[Canary42]

/// most of us want out. ///

Usual misinformation from this poster - desperate to support his own bigotted views.

[retrocop]

VHG
I would of thought that most of the points and concerns you have raised are exactly what the P.M. will be wasting time and money to achieve. Out now and no compromise.

[New Judge]

"...they should be creating jobs in Poland, not exporting their unemployed abroad."

But that's precisely why no changes will be forthcoming, Gromit. Countries such as Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and quite a few others have no capability of developing their economies to match those of the more prosperous nations. There's only one way "homogenisation" of economies will lead those such as the UK and Germany and that's downwards. It's precisely why the former Soviet bloc nations joined the club - to get thir hands on a share of the Booty which they could not have imagined in their wildest dreams.

Poland (et al) will not care one jot if the UK quites the EU. There are plenty of other places to which they will be able to ship their unemployed where they can earn five times what they earn at home and send most of their cash (including benefits) back.

[retrocop]

Canary
If you look at the current ED poll I think the majority of ABers have stated OUT so it is not aog's bigotted view is it ?

[dannyk13]

If we stay in then I fear we will become merely a state of a Franco/German empire.

[New Judge]

"/// most of us want out. ///

Usual misinformation from this poster - desperate to support his own bigotted views. "

I suppose it depends which "us" we're talking about:

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1421921.html

[dannyk13]

'us' would include most of my friends and acquaintances.

[sandyRoe]

Would an AB poll be reflecting the opinions of more mature voters? Younger people may not agree with our figures of 60-40 for 'Out'.

[anotheoldgit]

retrocop

/// Canary
If you look at the current ED poll I think the majority of ABers have stated OUT so it is not aog's bigotted view is it ? ///

Don't spoil this person's fun, you know how trolls get their kicks.

[dannyk13]

Sandy, I suppose it would depend how many of the younger voters think that EU migrants are taking their jobs.

[retrocop]

aog
Sorry. But you did say not so long back that I levelled the playing field on this site so I just thought someone's blinkers needed removing. :-)

[sandyRoe]

True enough, Danny.
Have there been any recent polls, of the Mori or Gallup type, asking how people would vote?

[dannyk13]

Not seen any Sandy.

[retrocop]

SandyRoe
Since the election I would guess few people place much faith in those except, may be one on AB. It is like believing stories out the bible.

[Svejk]

Their latest wheeze is to impose set numbers of non-EU immigrants on each country signed up to the Schengen agreement. They will receive a €6,000. fee for each one they take but I don't see anything to stop them hopping on the next coach to the UK once they're EU nationals. Maybe they won't like countries like Poland and Romania.

[Svejk]

forgot the link.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3099700/Britain-opts-EU-call-migrants-Italy-Greece-2-300-non-EU-countries.html