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hawksley | 08:49 Thu 17th Oct 2013 | News
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Osborne, is going to put nuclear power in the hands of the Chinese,well done Gideon. We have all purchased goods at sometime with the label made in China ???.
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My own viewpoint on nuclear power is that it is the only sustainable method of producing large amount of electricity for the future. I know its not a universally held view but I have been a fan since I was a teenager in the 60's. I remember going on a school science trip to a nuclear power station near us in Somerset. It was all so new and exciting. Not sure why the...
11:29 Thu 17th Oct 2013
// they don't spread right across green belt land //

I can think of two, one in the Snowdonia and one on Exmoor that are in National Parks. In fact most Nuclear plants I would gess are in greenbelt land (ie, in remote places so they don't kill as many people if they go wrong).
Far from being the family silver Gromit, at the time the nationalised industries where pretty well communist infiltrated millstones, it was only private sector operation that made them inrto "silver" so you can say that after the event.
so you don't think we have interests abroad, better take a look then.
Tora

I am shocked to learn our Nuclear Industry was run by Communists.

You are not by any chance talking complete boll0x?
// so you don't think we have interests abroad, better take a look then. //

A bit cryptic. What does that mean?
looks like is has slowed down somewhat, but British companies have businesses they have snapped up overseas, it's not a new concept,
my remark was directed at OG>


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/globalbusiness/9315013/British-companies-stop-buying-abroad.html
i was referring to the proliferation of the idiot windfarms, stretching far and wide, haven't Scotland got a problem in so far many objections were lobbied out installations across land, i would have to look into that, remember reading about Donald Trump objecting to them being on land he had acquired
I have no objection to other nations being foolish enough to allow us to buy them. Heck, I think we have experience in running empires :-) Howevever I'm somewhat concerned about being sold to others. Slow down is good, but slamming it intio reverse would be better.
perhaps Tora is referring to men like Jack Jones

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/apr/23/jack-jones-tgwu-unions-1970s
Oh it's "our" purchases that have slowed down then not theirs :-(
OG, you can't have it both ways, if we snap up businesses in foreign countries, why is it any different if they in turn want to buy into ours.
There are some things which i wish dearly we had not sold off, but it's too late, unless someone gets the idea to buy them back, but if they were running at a loss why would you?
Emmie

Do you think Donald Trump would be happier with a Nuclear Power Station on his Golf Course?
do we have a better car industry now? if so is that because of foreign investment, surely better to have lots of British people in work, working for Toyota, Nissan, than no work at all.
Gromit, as I suspect you know, I was talking about your hardline union friends who almost turned us into a Soviet Bloc outpost.
"Gromit, regardless of what Thatcher did the Brown/Blair dynasty was from 1997 to 2010 (13 years). They, and they alone are responsible for today's predicament. The Tories were not in power and could not do anything about it."

No they are not. Blair was in favour of new Nuclear Power plants, as was Brown. Government reports and reviews from 2003 and 2006 clearly show this.A plan to build new nuclear plants was put forward in 2006 following the government energy review, but Green Peace and the green lobby contested this, took it to court and forced a judicial review, which found in their favour. This effectively put back the development of additional Nuclear Power generation in this country.

Nuclear Power generation is an extremely contentious issue.The general public are conflicted, with little appetite for further nuclear reactors. To attempt to dismiss this simply as the fault of Labour would be a shallow and false assessment. The problem has long been the costs of building them - both the huge capital costs, and the even more eye-watering costs of decommissioning and waste disposal management, all of which the private companies concerned wanted government underwriting for.

So private industry wanted the state to underwrite their profits.Surprise, Surprise. The tories, in opposition, were not united in wanting nuclear development; It was not until 2008 that Duncan, then shadow energy secretary, finally came out to offer some guarantees should a tory government be installed at the next GE.

And then we come to the 2010 coalition; With a LibDem partnership resolutely opposed to nuclear power generation. It was not until 2012 that the LibDems voted for the first time to support nuclear power. And the Tories have been faced with the same problem; Limited private companies with the specialist knowledge, fromRWE in Germany, EDF in France and Westinghouse in the US. The Germans walked out early, ruling themselves out of any partnership,Westinghouse walked away from the last proposals - insufficient government guarantees for profit for their investors - so we were left with EDF, and they had no appetite either unless the government could sweeten the pot.

And now we are going, cap in hand, to the Chinese for the money, in return for which they get lovely goverment backed returns on their investment.

Oh, and it was the Tories that routinely sell of the family silver. It was they who sold off much of our nuclear generation capability back in 1995 under John Major.
personally i dislike him, have for years, but that is a separate issue, and he might, if it takes up a smaller space.
No new nuclear power generation in Scotland; SNP have ruled it out
It's not having it both ways. Each purchase is a separate agreement not part of a "we will swop ownership" deal. One can opt to offer to buy elsewhere and reject foreign offers for businesses here. And even if that stifled sell offs slightly one still have the ability to create products/services here and export.
Ymb

// Gromit, regardless of what Thatcher did the Brown/Blair dynasty was from 1997 to 2010 (13 years). They, and they alone are responsible for today's predicament. The Tories were not in power and could not do anything about it. //

Privatisation in 1996 handed power from the Government to Private companies. The deal was that they would invest in new plant because the Government wouldn't do. That is why when Labour came to power, they were unable to influence the building of new plant. It was all down to market forces, and market forces delivered zilch.



// wind farms will ruin far more acres of land than any Nuclear plant. //
Tell that to the people of Chernybl.

// he [Donald Trump] might [prefer a Nuclear Power Station on his Golf Course], if it takes up a smaller space. //

Bit desperate that.

Though Golf Balls that glow in the dark would be a novelty.

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