Telling It How It Is

[Khandro]

...... would you not say ?

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/time-to-jump-out-of-the-globalists-pan-of-boiling-water/

[Togo]

Germany has just about the lowest percentage of owner occupiers of their own homes in the developed World as well Naomi. A strange thing to reference, when you live there, when it is meant to be a criticism of the UK.

[weecalf]

Naomi 24 think BJ was last premier led Tory party voted it was he not

[gulliver1]

There is only one answer ... At the next G.E kick the Tory Party so far up the road with your boot up their Arises that they will never ever ,ever be voted into power again. It's that easy, never ever let these Cons Con you again.

[Hymie]

NJ, well there is no point in supplying full details of the organisation reporting the £100 billion loss to the UK economy (as a direct result of Brexit), if such an amount is not a disaster.

Bear in mind that this £100 billion loss is a year on year figure for the foreseeable future – so in 10 years time the losses will total of the order of £1 trillion (£1,000,000,000,000) to the UK economy.

[naomi24]

Weecalf, indeed he was - and you were perfectly content before that. No?

[New Judge]

//NJ, well there is no point in supplying full details of the organisation reporting the £100 billion loss to the UK economy (as a direct result of Brexit), if such an amount is not a disaster.//

I take it by “the economy” you mean the UK’s Gross Domestic Product” (GDP). The UK’s GDP currently stands at around £2,200bn (very roughly). The £100bn that you mention therefore represents a bit under 5% of that. (Again these are rough figures – exactitude is not critical as you will see).

Since the end of Q4 2021 (probably the earliest that the effects of the pandemic can be said to have eased for any meaningful comparisons to be made) it has risen by 0.7%. You can see these numbers (along with the understandably violent swings either side of the pandemic) in figure 1 of this ONS report:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpfirstquarterlyestimateuk/julytoseptember2022

Now I will accept that the economy is still recovering from the pandemic and figures at present are probably not entirely representative. But we can only go on what we both have. I’ve used Q4 ‘21 as a base because if I used any earlier figures unjustifiably high growth would have been evident as a result of recovery from Covid (GDP has grown by almost 10% since Q3 2020). So I’ve tried to avoid cherry picking.

But the real issue is this: whether or not I call a hit of £100bn a disaster or not, I’d love to know where you get the idea that the UK’s GDP will drop by 5% per annum when it is currently showing little or no sign of dropping at all. You said this:

“I believe one of the figures quoted was a loss of £80 billion a year to the UK economy – which has been revised up to £100 billion…”

So who “quoted” this figure? Is it a forecast? If so what’s its basis? Is it simply an extrapolation of the 0.6% decline in GDP in September? If so, this should be borne in mind, as stated in the ONS report:

“As published today (11 November 2022) in our GDP monthly estimate, UK bulletin, GDP is estimated to have fallen by 0.6% in September 2022. It is important to note that data for September 2022 are affected by the bank holiday for the State Funeral of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, where some businesses closed or operated differently on this day. As this is a one-off event, this impact does not get removed from our seasonally adjusted estimates.”

But more (or even more incredible, IMHO) than that, you go on to say this:

“Bear in mind that this £100 billion loss is a year on year figure for the foreseeable future…”

Do you seriously believe that the UK’s GDP will halve in ten years (and presumably reduce to zero ten years after that) simply as a result of our leaving the EU (bearing in mind it only dropped by 20% when much of the economy closed down in the Spring of 2020)?

If you take these ONS figures at face value, I’m sure you can understand my confusion and also why I continually ask where these figures you continually rely on are coming from.

[ToraToraTora]

Well said judge but don't expect your efforts to make any difference to people like hymie who has a one way agenda.

[Khandro]

Togo;
https://www.statista.com/statistics/246355/home-ownership-rate-in-europe/

[Khandro]

Nigel "Testing the Water";

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1702286/nigel-farage-red-wall-mps-conservative-reform-brexit-party-latest-news-ont

Tories & Labour be scared :0)

[ichkeria]

All that would do is hand those seats to Labour on a plate.

[ichkeria]

Politics has moved on from 2019, regardless of where you stand on Brexit.
Then, people in those areas were cross that it hadn’t happened.
It has happened now.

[Zacs-Master]

I read as far as:
‘On top of that, three of them were bullied into taking the vaccines [ ] and the other two who were coerced into take the globalist toxin’

And my ‘fruitcake’ radar went off.

[bhg481]

Zacs - funny you should say that. I got to exactly the same point, put the author into the loony category and gave up on the article.

[Khandro]

Zacs, see the BA, he only agreed with 'much of it'. Why pick on one thing?

[Zacs-Master]

Because it belies a strange attitude to the world. I have zero patience with anti-vaxers.

[New Judge]

When you mention "anti-vaxers", Zacs, do you mean solely those who believe the vaccine is a conspiracy to inject toxin/microchips/truth serum/obedience potion [delete as appropriate]. Or do you also include those who have weighed up the pros and cons and have decided they simply don't want it?

[Zacs-Master]

Yep, everyone who refused to have it (with the exception of those for whom it might have serious medical implications, of course).

[Togo]

//(with the exception of those for whom it might have serious medical implications, of course).//

But ... but ... I thought that the anti vaxers contend that it may well be the case for everyone who has had the hastily prepared vaccines is at risk of serious medical implications.

[Old_Geezer]

Anti vaxers, as the name tells you, are against vaccination, full stop, not just misgivings over specific ones. And the data coming through does suggest they raise the risk value in those who have had them. This guy has proven a good source of information throughout https://youtu.be/Jb2YMvfvm_M

[Zacs-Master]

Yes, that would be anti-vaxer 'logic' Togo.