Are Ukip Onto A Winner Here?

[sp1814]

Raising the drink driving limit in Scotland and a repeal of the smoking ban in pubs and clubs.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip-scottish-manifesto-drink-drive-limits-smoking-pubs-airguns-pubs-farage-a6973336.html

Do you support these measures?

I wasn't aware that there were variations in the allowable blood alcohol levels across the country, so equalisation makes some sense.

But the reintroduction of smoking in pubs and bars?

Seems a bit retrograde.

[youngmafbog]

So what they are actually advocating are well ventilated smoking rooms. If that could be achieved I dont see a problem, since both sides would be satisfied.

[Svejk]

Sounds good to me.

[Old_Geezer]

I'm unsure about all of it, but the rest of the UK has a sensible driving/alcohol limit so I imagine many normal folk north of the border would like to get rid of the excessively low level there and return to a sane balance.

Smoking reintroduction would annoy all the pubgoers who have got used to a breathable atmosphere on a night out. I can't see that winning over many.

It is unclear what the proposed changes to the airgun legislation are; but it seems to me that this is a weapon easily obtainable by yobs to shoot pets with. Some form of licensing seems a reasonable step. Pity the pellets couldn't be traced to a particular gun and therefore owner.

[youngmafbog]

OG, read the article carefully and dont jump to what you think it means:

In a section called “saving the Scottish pub”, the party will reintroduce smoking in pubs and clubs to enable “smokers to enjoy their pint” by introducing “properly ventilated” smoking rooms.

So a reintroduction of the old smoking room, but this time ventilated. NOT smoking in pubs per se.

[Old_Geezer]

I read carefully enough. Smoke doesn't stay in one place and introducing a thin end to the wedge helps neither those who hope society is getting more considerate of others nor the smoker who needs an incentive to give up.

[Jackdaw33]

I like the tale of the British tourist who, after Greece had imposed a smoking ban, went into a café and put his cigarettes on the table. On seeing this the waiter brought him an ashtray. Astonished, the tourist pointed to the large No Smoking sign. The waiter smiled and turned the sign to the wall.

[youngmafbog]

Perhaps that is why they state 'well ventilated' ?

Dont get me wrong, i hate the smell of smoke, but I also recognize that many people do like it and I dont see it as my place to dictate. Providing they are well ventilated then both camps can be satisfied and pubs may survive for us all.

[Old_Geezer]

So when you mates go into the smoke you are expected to leave them to it ? It doesn't work.

[Jackdaw33]

I cannot see smoking coming back in pubs but I can see a case for reintroducing it in private clubs where the public are not allowed uninvited, subject to safeguards.

[douglas9401]

"Subject to safeguards"? They're not smoking hand grenades, aircon will do the job.
I do miss a pint on the curry night though and a half's just for the gurls, isn't it.

[Jackdaw33]

That's what I meant, doug.

[douglas9401]

For your information:

https://www.drinkaware.co.uk/check-the-facts/alcohol-and-the-law/drink-driving

[douglas9401]

I know Jackdaw, sorry, I forgot the smiley. :-)

[sp1814]

douglas9401

How well ventilated can a room be in order to prevent staff who work at these establishments being subjected to the effects of second hand smoke?

[Jackdaw33]

That's simple, sp. You only employ smokers.

[Orderlimit]

Do you think smoking (with ventilation) should be banned Mr Sp?

[Gromit]

The smoking ban in pubs has been a great success and should continue.

Pubs were in decline long before the ban, and there is no evidence that reintroducing smoking would halt the decline.

There are many other factors in the closure of pubs, not one single factor.

[Jackdaw33]

Let's go the whole hog. Ban alcohol in pubs. How the nation's health would improve!

[sp1814]

Orderlimit

I can't answer that because I don't know how you could possibly ventilate a smoking room.

First, the room would have to have an outside wall in order to install an extractor fan, and the fan would have to be powerful enough to suck smoke right out of the mouths of smokers so that any staff who had to attend to the room (to clear glasses and empty ash trays) could do so without chugging down lungfuls of smoke.

I'm not sure that can be done.

Additionally, pubs need ensure maximum profit per square metre of floor space.I can imagine situations where you will have a couple of smokes sitting in the smoking room, whereas the rest of the pub is full to the rafters.

And one more point I've just realised...how many pubs actually have a separate room that could be assigned to smokers???

Every pub and bar I can think of is open plan.

[Orderlimit]

ok, thanks for reply Sp but what about say in Prison, would you wish that be banned for the same reasons etc?