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Why Are Labour Frightened Of Jeremy Corbyn, Is He The Left's Nigel Farage?
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Eddie...you might be right about the tearing apart bit !
But as Osborne's savage cuts really begin to bite, maybe dave and his Party won't remain so popular for very long. We should remember that dave didn't win the Election outright in 2010, and, as I have said, he only has a very small working majority now. Add to that the forthcoming Tory Leadership battle, which will apparently before 2020, we could be looking at a very different situation before long.
In the meantime, will somebody lock Harriet in the coal bunker please !
But as Osborne's savage cuts really begin to bite, maybe dave and his Party won't remain so popular for very long. We should remember that dave didn't win the Election outright in 2010, and, as I have said, he only has a very small working majority now. Add to that the forthcoming Tory Leadership battle, which will apparently before 2020, we could be looking at a very different situation before long.
In the meantime, will somebody lock Harriet in the coal bunker please !
@Retrocop
I fail to see why you think you'd gone off topic. If nuclear disarmament is a major plank in Corbyn's philosophy then it has a big part to play in why Labour might have reason to fear installing him as a Leader.
That is to say, if there was an untapped groundswell of support for disarmament and recall how the younger generation were always apt to go on protest marches about it, then Corbyn could turn the apathy vote into actual X's, get into powet and implement just such a policy.
It's brown trousers time for all of us, not just Labour.
I fail to see why you think you'd gone off topic. If nuclear disarmament is a major plank in Corbyn's philosophy then it has a big part to play in why Labour might have reason to fear installing him as a Leader.
That is to say, if there was an untapped groundswell of support for disarmament and recall how the younger generation were always apt to go on protest marches about it, then Corbyn could turn the apathy vote into actual X's, get into powet and implement just such a policy.
It's brown trousers time for all of us, not just Labour.
By the way, Nick Clegg traded in the Lib-Dem's political credibilty for "a go" at being in power, possibly a response to long-running accusations of their decades of inexperience in government.
They could have stuck to their student feed promises and forced the coalition to dissolve and thrown us into another election cylce in year one. Instead, they brought about this wretched 5-year term thing because they wanted it to last as long as possible, knowing that they'd be back in the wilderness after their term had run out.
Labour's willingness to discard priciples in order to gain electability has a similar ring to it. Political parties now have to *** themselves to the electorate to get into power.
I suppose all employees have to do that, to some extent.
They could have stuck to their student feed promises and forced the coalition to dissolve and thrown us into another election cylce in year one. Instead, they brought about this wretched 5-year term thing because they wanted it to last as long as possible, knowing that they'd be back in the wilderness after their term had run out.
Labour's willingness to discard priciples in order to gain electability has a similar ring to it. Political parties now have to *** themselves to the electorate to get into power.
I suppose all employees have to do that, to some extent.
I too have bowed out R-Cop, as I don't want to hijack AOGs post anymore, not that it was my intention to do so in the first place !
Anyway, Corbyn hasn't been elected yet, and there is still weeks to go. I can foresee one or more of the other candidates dropping out, making it less possible for him to win.
Anyway, Corbyn hasn't been elected yet, and there is still weeks to go. I can foresee one or more of the other candidates dropping out, making it less possible for him to win.
The Labour candidates each, in a way, represent a different analysis of the party's defeat.
For Liz Kendall, the party lost because of a lack of pragmatism and for putting out a manifesto that was too left of field. This is exactly the narrative which the Murdoch press is fond of, as you will recall they spun Miliband - a leader only slightly left of centre - as some kind of rabid Trotskyist pie-in-the-sky lunatic.
I have no idea what Yvette Cooper or Andy Burnham think about anything, except that they want to be the Labour leader. Burnham keeps insisting that the party's manifesto was great, so by elimination seems to think they lost because of external factors (which probably means a lack of media allies).
Corbyn, on the other hand, thinks that the party lost because of a lack of clarity. It wasn't clear how the party would govern without an SNP deal, or what that deal would be, it wasn't clear what their policy on Trident was, it wasn't clear how far they bought into austerity or didn't. About the only thing Ed Miliband was clear on was that he didn't want an EU referendum - which is, unfortunately for him, a fairly unpopular idea.
Of these three analyses, Corbyn is probably closest to the truth. A huge number of votes were cast to anti-austerity parties, and Labour would be in a much stronger position now if it could count on them. I also think he is right to suggest that Labour is better off putting forward its own programme of ideas rather than spitting out yet another vacuous generation of Tory-lite.
Of course, it's easy to talk about having principles generally, but it's harder to find the right ones. Whether Corbyn's principles are right ones really remains to be seen.
For Liz Kendall, the party lost because of a lack of pragmatism and for putting out a manifesto that was too left of field. This is exactly the narrative which the Murdoch press is fond of, as you will recall they spun Miliband - a leader only slightly left of centre - as some kind of rabid Trotskyist pie-in-the-sky lunatic.
I have no idea what Yvette Cooper or Andy Burnham think about anything, except that they want to be the Labour leader. Burnham keeps insisting that the party's manifesto was great, so by elimination seems to think they lost because of external factors (which probably means a lack of media allies).
Corbyn, on the other hand, thinks that the party lost because of a lack of clarity. It wasn't clear how the party would govern without an SNP deal, or what that deal would be, it wasn't clear what their policy on Trident was, it wasn't clear how far they bought into austerity or didn't. About the only thing Ed Miliband was clear on was that he didn't want an EU referendum - which is, unfortunately for him, a fairly unpopular idea.
Of these three analyses, Corbyn is probably closest to the truth. A huge number of votes were cast to anti-austerity parties, and Labour would be in a much stronger position now if it could count on them. I also think he is right to suggest that Labour is better off putting forward its own programme of ideas rather than spitting out yet another vacuous generation of Tory-lite.
Of course, it's easy to talk about having principles generally, but it's harder to find the right ones. Whether Corbyn's principles are right ones really remains to be seen.
Also, the difference between Corbyn and Farage is that Farage will say quite literally anything that he thinks is popular and will uphold his "naughty boy" image - with which he is utterly obsessed. Corbyn seems unfazed about his poor media image, which might not be a good thing if he wants to lead a party. Ed Miliband ignored the problem too and it ended up being a significant part of his defeat.
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