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sandyRoe

To be honest, I got all that from a comedy sketch a few years ago. I know a Freemason and he swears blind that none of that is true...
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This was discussed at length on a late night radio phone in, and taking the usual 'don't criticise Muslims' attitude that most of these radio presenters seem to adhere to, he was trying to attach a similarity to the Bed & Breakfast owners, by accusing those who supported those owners (but who were at the same time criticising the Tesco worker) for possessing a double standard attitude.

He still could not understand the difference when some told him that the Bed & Breakfast couple owned their establishment, but the Tesco worker did not own his, and had he in fact owned his own shop he would be quite within his rights to refuse to serve a customer with whatever her chose to, no problem except for his own profits.



AOG

Perhaps...but the same cannot possibly be true of the Relate councillor who refused to deal with gay couples.

Or the Christian registrar who refused to carry out civil partnership ceremonies.

Should their religious convictions take precedent over their duties to their employees?

If the Muslim is wrong to use his religious convictions as a reason not to handle pork and alcohol, are these Christians?

If not, why not?
For 'employees' read 'employers'.
AOG

Am I right in suspecting that you will be ignoring my question?
sandy // Lent must once have been something like Ramadan. Isn't it a great pity that it's now only a shadow of its former self. //

err..no.
There is no Fun in Fundamentalism.!!
sp, but the man who refused to counsel gay couples was sacked and his appeal lost -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/8651417.stm

- and the Christian registrar who was unhappy about performing ceremonies for gap couples had her appeal rejected.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9870468/Gay-marriage-no-opt-out-for-Christian-registrars.html

They can all try using their religious convictions as a reason not to do the job they're employed to do, but Muslims seem to be rather more successful at it.

Oops .... ceremonies for *gay* couples.
naomi24

My point is that they were rightly sacked - and so should this chap.

What is curious how (especially) the right wing press come out in support of Christian fundamentalists, when they use their faith as a reason to pick and choose what parts of their jobs they will do, but the tone goes 180 degrees for everyone else.
//My point is that they were rightly sacked - and so should this chap. //

I agree - but he won't be because he is Muslim, and as unsavoury as that fact might be to some, it is a fact.
And anyone who claims to be persecuted because of their religious convictions (thinking specifically of hardline Muslims and Christians), I would ask them - do you think that you might be guilty of persecuting certain members of society for a few hundred years and continue to do so?
naomi24

Both Tesco and M&S 'promotes an environment free from discrimination' which means that they observe workers' religious beliefs...for instance Christian employees are exempt from working on Sundays.

Therefore you're probably correct in that this chap will be able to cite religious observance in this instance.

Still - the Ramadan reason doesn't make sense.
//Both Tesco and M&S 'promotes an environment free from discrimination' which means that they observe workers' religious beliefs...//

The government doesn't appear to promote such an environment - at least not for Christians.

I haven't got time to look right now, but I'd like to know if any Muslim has ever been sacked for refusing to do a job because of his/her religious foibles. I can't say any cases spring to mind, but if anyone knows differently, it would be interesting.
naomi24

I'm almost certain you're correct. And it's very, very wrong indeed. It simply isn't fair.
I've looked at the first several pages of google. Nothing.

I rest my case.
^ Quite. re the recent 'gay cake' nonsense. If that had been a muslim bakers instead of a christian one, they would never have been questioned or castigated for refusing to bake it.

In fact we would more likely have seen the people who wanted the cake on the wrong end of some kind of racist intimidation\hate crime\causing offence accusation.
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sp1814

/// naomi24

I'm almost certain you're correct. And it's very, very wrong indeed. It simply isn't fair. ///

Wow that is a turn up for the book, I have been trying for years to get you to admit that there are certain rules for some sections of the community and different ones for the others.
AOG

Likewise...see my earlier question directed to you...it's still hanging.

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