Can Islam be pursuaded to revise their position?

[R1Geezer]

"Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39"

It seems pretty clear that Islam is the enemy of the world so how far will the "Infidel" let it get before reacting?

An entire group has taken on the rantings of a paedophile nutter and seem intent on imposing the parameters of this "religion"

Will it be much more difficult when we finally wake up? can we "nip it in the bud" now?
Do we have a "Chamberlain" moment happenning? Is there a threat?

[suzie1]

The Qur'an admonishes those men who oppress or ill-treat women: ... Nor should you treat them with harshness, Treat women with respect. The Islamic prophet Muhammad treated each of his wives with dignity, giving them rights equal to his own. This was remarkable in a time when women around the world were afforded no rights at all even english woman. Islamic women were (and still are) allowed to initiate divorce, control their earnings and keep their maiden names etc although i dont agree on having more than one wife, but christians do that aswell even in this day and age.lol........In Islam there is absolutely no difference between men and women as far as their relationship to Allah is concerned, as both are promised the same reward for good conduct

[suzie1]

good conduct meaning being a good muslim and human being, good conduct is not killing people and suicide bombing......................allah does not like that hope that answers your question naomi

[suzie1]

its good advise.................i like it muslim woman are well respected

[suzie1]

this is getting boring....yawn

[naomi24]

Suzie, 'The Qur'an admonishes those men who oppress or ill-treat women:'

It does? I think you must have missed the bit where it tells men to beat their disobedient wives, and also the bit where it says men are superior to women. Perhaps you should read it again.

[suzie1]

i havent missed that bit, i was just concentrating on the good bits, if i start on the negatives i will be here all day, as with all religions..................becoz ur a non believer, i dont really see the point of debating this issue with you.....whos ur maker

[naomi24]

:o)

[birdie1971]

Suzie1 - “becoz ur a non believer, i dont really see the point of debating this issue with you...”

Amazing! So by that rationale, you refuse to debate matters of faith with people who not believe in the same thing you do?

Why then don't you preface all your responses with “If you're not a Muslim then, la, la, la, la – I can't hear you...”

You only seem to want to look at the positive aspect of Islam and seem happy to ignore the negatives. This means that you're ignoring almost all of the Quran. As a Muslim woman (I assume you are a woman) I find your reasoning quite perverse. Here's why...

[birdie1971]

Continued....

"Allah directs you in regard of your Children's (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females.... These are settled portions ordained by Allah." - Quran 4:11

Sorry, but your Prophet thinks you are only half as good as a man.


"If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them." - Quran 4:15

Nice!!!

"The Prophet said, 'Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?' The women said, 'Yes.' He said, 'This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind.'" - Bukhari


You must be so proud to belong to a religion that utterly despises you and is happy to treat you like you are nothing.

[suzie1]

just to shed some light on your 'assumptions' birdie, i am not a muslim woman, i am english, i respect peoples religions and i try to learn what i can about them. I have a lot of muslim friends, who are lovely people and should not be judged just becoz they are muslim, stereo typical/.ignorant people like yourself dont like respecting people and their religions, just becoz you and i dont have any religious beliefs, i dont see why it gives us the right to discriminate against other people beliefs. i only look at the positive things becoz thats all i know about islam, i dont read in to it as much as i you do, r u muslim? u seem to know more about islam than me.....assuming that im muslim, even if i was i wouldnt be ashamed of it, but i dont belong to islam. i think from what i have seen muslims are well disciplined people and thats alot more than i can say about the british. birdie your a fine example!!!!!

[birdie1971]

Suzie1 -

I've already told you that I am not a Muslim. And yes, it appears that I do know a great deal more about Islam than you do. But that's hardly surprising is it, as you appear to know nothing at all? You're either a Muslim woman who is furiously back peddling (for some inexplicable reason) or you're not of the Islamic faith but you know a few Muslims; so you think you know about the whole Islamic religion.

Guess what? You don't. You haven't even scratched the surface.


You state, “...i dont see why it gives us the right to discriminate against other people beliefs...”.

What? You honestly think that people's beliefs should not be questioned and criticised? Why not? You've questioned and criticised mine! Good for you!

[naomi24]

Suzie, to add to Birdie's post, if you don't know what their beliefs are, how can you possibly support them, or object to anyone criticising them? That's tantamount to knowing nothing about Nazism, but nevertheless supporting Nazi beliefs and criticising anyone who disagrees with them.

[naomi24]

An afterthought before anyone jumps down my throat. I am NOT equating Islam with Nazism. I'm simply using those two belief systems to demonstrate my point.

[tamborine]

Suzie.........you quote more of the koran than the bible. Y then, have you chosen a christian ID?

Google Ottoman Empire, we've been here before!

[suzie1]

im an athiest!!!!u ***, i was just winding you up. i have no interest in religion whatsoever, i copied and pasted extracts from the internet, i just enjoyed winding you Sugar heads up.........it looks like you have sad and lonely lives, that you sit on ab all day......lmfao llololololololo...........................but i still like you all, ur an interesting lot

[naomi24]

Yes, I've seen you say you're winding people up on other threads too, Suzie, when you've been cornered. At least in your case it goes to show that learning can be fun, and I sincerely hope you've learnt something from this discussion.

[Quinlad]

"or you're not of the Islamic faith but you know a few Muslims; so you think you know about the whole Islamic religion."

Interesting analysis. Is it more meaningful to form a judgement on the whole Islamic religion from the wording of the book (even if it's said to be the literal word of God) or on the actual day-to-day behaviour of its followers - people who are overwhelmingly, disappointingly, infidel-ignoringly normal?

[suzie1]

DEAR DEAR NAOMI!!!!U PRAT....YOU THINK YOU KNOW IT ALL, I SEE YOU PICKING ON PEOPLE ON AB, UR ALWAYS WANTING THE LAST WORD......BUT I SUPPOSE COZ UR SO SAD AND LONELY ITS WHAT GIVES U PLEASURE.....ANYWAY I WAS WINDING YOU LOT UP, MAYBE I SHOULDNT HAVE, BUT I DONT SEE WHY PEOPLE ARE SO INTO RELIGION.....MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE CARRIED ON COPYING AND PASTING EXTRACTS FROM THE INTERNET AND KEPT YOU GOING SADO, YOU MUST BE SO UPSET THIS THREAD HAS NOT BEEN THAT VERY INTERESTING...DOH LOLOLO capitals are coz im shouting at you.. anyway i got things to do see ya