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did judas (in the bible) kill himself??
Ang is there any evidence to support he actually lived as there is to support a man called jesus of that time??
Ang is there any evidence to support he actually lived as there is to support a man called jesus of that time??
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cat's whisk, anyone who says that is no historian.
Julius Caesar's existence is verified by the fact that he wrote a lot about himself, that eyewitnesses wrote about him while he was alive (contemperaneous evidence is the backbone of history) and after he was dead, and that there is plenty of physical evidence on the ground of the places he went to and conquered and the edifices he destroyed and built.
None of this applies to the Jesus story.
We don't know when Jesus was supposed to have lived; whenever that was, no-one wrote a word about him at that time; there is no mention of him in Jewish or Roman records or by any historian writing at that supposed time. There are no eyewitnesses to anything he said and did. There is no evidence on the ground that he ever existed.
He is first introduced to the world by Paul in AD55; Paul never knew him, nor does he supply any eyewitness evidence about him. The subsequent gospels were written by unknown people who never knew Jesus. They do not quote eyewitnesses either. And so on...
'Nuff said.
Julius Caesar's existence is verified by the fact that he wrote a lot about himself, that eyewitnesses wrote about him while he was alive (contemperaneous evidence is the backbone of history) and after he was dead, and that there is plenty of physical evidence on the ground of the places he went to and conquered and the edifices he destroyed and built.
None of this applies to the Jesus story.
We don't know when Jesus was supposed to have lived; whenever that was, no-one wrote a word about him at that time; there is no mention of him in Jewish or Roman records or by any historian writing at that supposed time. There are no eyewitnesses to anything he said and did. There is no evidence on the ground that he ever existed.
He is first introduced to the world by Paul in AD55; Paul never knew him, nor does he supply any eyewitness evidence about him. The subsequent gospels were written by unknown people who never knew Jesus. They do not quote eyewitnesses either. And so on...
'Nuff said.
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Jesus lived and worked among the poor, and such people seldom have their actions covered as well as emperors. It doesn't mean they didn't exist, though it places them outside history - in the sense of 'written history'. But anyone who wants to suggest that he never existed, and was just invented by Paul, needs to explain why If Paul, for some reason, wanted to instigate a new religion, why not just name himself as the prophet rather than invent one who'd supposedly died years before?
For me, that just doesn't make any sense. The likeliest explanation is that Jesus lived and preached and was remembered after his death, and that his teachings were handed down orally until people came to write them down. (Whether he was the son of God is another matter.)
For me, that just doesn't make any sense. The likeliest explanation is that Jesus lived and preached and was remembered after his death, and that his teachings were handed down orally until people came to write them down. (Whether he was the son of God is another matter.)
I'm with JNO on this one Christianity was brutally suppressed in the Roman empire to begin with this would make getting a few bibles written and distributed rather difficult and risky I'd imagine.
Chaka In the name of history (and I mean that quite literally) perhaps you'd like to question the "truth" of Herodotus' works, his tomes form the basis of what we know and understand of the ancient world, most of it many many years before he was even born never mind writing. Candaules and Gyges for one, and don't get me started on Arion and the dolphin for whimsy.
The "truth" is always were you find it, based on how you interpret it.
Chaka In the name of history (and I mean that quite literally) perhaps you'd like to question the "truth" of Herodotus' works, his tomes form the basis of what we know and understand of the ancient world, most of it many many years before he was even born never mind writing. Candaules and Gyges for one, and don't get me started on Arion and the dolphin for whimsy.
The "truth" is always were you find it, based on how you interpret it.
One school of thought maintains that far from being a traitor Judas acted with what he thought was a good idea.
In the Jewish history it has long been maintained that, as the chosen race, the Almighty would appear and lead them to victory, but only when things were at their direst.
Judas believing that God could not possibly allow his own son to perish, " Fingered " Jesus, hoping that this action would trigger a Miracle or two and thus promote a mass rising against the Roman occupiers.
When it all went " Pear shaped " he realised his mistake
and topped himself.
As to whether Judas ever really existed, Who can say?
But his name has suvived for Centuries, as the Mark
(No Pun), of the traitor.
In the Jewish history it has long been maintained that, as the chosen race, the Almighty would appear and lead them to victory, but only when things were at their direst.
Judas believing that God could not possibly allow his own son to perish, " Fingered " Jesus, hoping that this action would trigger a Miracle or two and thus promote a mass rising against the Roman occupiers.
When it all went " Pear shaped " he realised his mistake
and topped himself.
As to whether Judas ever really existed, Who can say?
But his name has suvived for Centuries, as the Mark
(No Pun), of the traitor.
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