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Would You Carry Out An Independent Review?
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This is prompted by the Dominic Raab report, but is not specifically referring to that. Raab has said that the review is 'flawed.'
It seems to be more and more common when inquiries or reviews are carried out for someone who is found fault with to basically say, no, the inquiry got it wrong.
So is it worth carrying out an inquiry just to get criticised?
It seems to be more and more common when inquiries or reviews are carried out for someone who is found fault with to basically say, no, the inquiry got it wrong.
So is it worth carrying out an inquiry just to get criticised?
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It is interesting to contrast what has happened to Raab and what happened after the independent report into Priti Patel’s bullying.
The Patel report concluded that she was guilty of bullying. The PM at the time, Boris Johnson rejected the report and kept the utterly useless Patel in post.
Sunak seems to have reluctantly accepted the report’s findings and Raab is toast.
The Patel report concluded that she was guilty of bullying. The PM at the time, Boris Johnson rejected the report and kept the utterly useless Patel in post.
Sunak seems to have reluctantly accepted the report’s findings and Raab is toast.
They will have been well paid. And quickly realised the amount of evidence would inevitably mean they would find against the alleged weasel.
are - they are well paid - a fren' forgot his insurance - oops - and a week at the GMC ( big boys court - ish) was £60k. Yup three zeros after the sixty
I have been involved in a works example
first of all be one of the Great and Good
then say " I am great and good " and this will enable me to say 'and tray reesh!"
Get TORs - terms of reference. -
here it was - examine the eight allegations, interview at great expense Mrs Mopp darn da lane - and come up with guilty.
and if the lu-lu is big enough- you say yeah! - or sho' ting.
But what about contested facts ? If the committee/tribunal/iinvestigator wishes to go to and fro the witnesses, endlessly ( Maxwellising, after the first time it was doone) - well drag em into COURT and MAKE them take and oath and then scream at them - "you're guilty huh, dont even try to say no!"
But that is not how we do things - the investigator is not a court, he cant drag anyone anywhere - and he cant apply oaths (!). He cant find guilt, he cant sentence
so it goes arn and arn - wowser ! ( thx to Gig Young, in They shoot horses dont they 1969)
and that is what they have been doing to the lawyers' Very Great Advantage.
You pay
are - they are well paid - a fren' forgot his insurance - oops - and a week at the GMC ( big boys court - ish) was £60k. Yup three zeros after the sixty
I have been involved in a works example
first of all be one of the Great and Good
then say " I am great and good " and this will enable me to say 'and tray reesh!"
Get TORs - terms of reference. -
here it was - examine the eight allegations, interview at great expense Mrs Mopp darn da lane - and come up with guilty.
and if the lu-lu is big enough- you say yeah! - or sho' ting.
But what about contested facts ? If the committee/tribunal/iinvestigator wishes to go to and fro the witnesses, endlessly ( Maxwellising, after the first time it was doone) - well drag em into COURT and MAKE them take and oath and then scream at them - "you're guilty huh, dont even try to say no!"
But that is not how we do things - the investigator is not a court, he cant drag anyone anywhere - and he cant apply oaths (!). He cant find guilt, he cant sentence
so it goes arn and arn - wowser ! ( thx to Gig Young, in They shoot horses dont they 1969)
and that is what they have been doing to the lawyers' Very Great Advantage.
You pay
so as far as I can see - Raab admitted the events and denied they amounted to bullying ( to which I agree actually)
classic material for NOT having a hearing - which would only be
one side - "they are ! they are! I cried myself to sleep many nights - but never resigned, I cheered up when I saw my civil servant mega-pay check"
and the other side: "you have to run a ministry, with pinko wets running a round saying - are you sure you can do that minister ? Lets us get an opinion which will take around a year. and I tell them they have to do what I bloody well say"
INSTEAD - each party separately gets around a table and says their party piece
But what about the Law? you wimper
Law ( Prevention of Harassment Act 1997 doesnt come into it, or someone would have gone there). So instead it is all about rules of employment, and it is this that Raab said accurately set the bar lower. ( he said too low)
classic material for NOT having a hearing - which would only be
one side - "they are ! they are! I cried myself to sleep many nights - but never resigned, I cheered up when I saw my civil servant mega-pay check"
and the other side: "you have to run a ministry, with pinko wets running a round saying - are you sure you can do that minister ? Lets us get an opinion which will take around a year. and I tell them they have to do what I bloody well say"
INSTEAD - each party separately gets around a table and says their party piece
But what about the Law? you wimper
Law ( Prevention of Harassment Act 1997 doesnt come into it, or someone would have gone there). So instead it is all about rules of employment, and it is this that Raab said accurately set the bar lower. ( he said too low)
I had this personally at my work,
where I asked for disciplinary code for affair A
and Miss Y told me there were two and she didnt know which one was being used.
which is plum against the Employment Act, and I threw a wobbler.
Miss Y screamed "bullying and harassment!" and both she and the employer felt that that meant she didnt have to give me EITHER ! -
you will note that Miss Y's harassment does NOT accord with harassment under the 1997 Act - But my employer allowed it completely disrupt the process of Affair A. As Stanley Unwin wd say: big commercial confusion confabulously. and costs 'ccumulate
same as Raab, someone doesnt want to do X at the Min and thinks that an allegation of bullying solves all. And Harassment is a word you have never heard in this context. Now you know why.
But if you are a govt axe-man, this is a big money maker. Jesus. It can run and run
where I asked for disciplinary code for affair A
and Miss Y told me there were two and she didnt know which one was being used.
which is plum against the Employment Act, and I threw a wobbler.
Miss Y screamed "bullying and harassment!" and both she and the employer felt that that meant she didnt have to give me EITHER ! -
you will note that Miss Y's harassment does NOT accord with harassment under the 1997 Act - But my employer allowed it completely disrupt the process of Affair A. As Stanley Unwin wd say: big commercial confusion confabulously. and costs 'ccumulate
same as Raab, someone doesnt want to do X at the Min and thinks that an allegation of bullying solves all. And Harassment is a word you have never heard in this context. Now you know why.
But if you are a govt axe-man, this is a big money maker. Jesus. It can run and run
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