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John Major Savages Johnson & Cabinet
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Whilst appearing before a select committee.
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Have to say I totally agree with every word, his summation is 100% correct.
Who knew Sir John was a 5C lefty poltroon like me eh?
Is this the same Johnson and government who were ‘professional’ today in Parliament, according to one fanboy? PMSL
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Have to say I totally agree with every word, his summation is 100% correct.
Who knew Sir John was a 5C lefty poltroon like me eh?
Is this the same Johnson and government who were ‘professional’ today in Parliament, according to one fanboy? PMSL
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Or hear his actual words spoken by him. It’s all in the first 5 minutes.
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//And that's no different. Major's problem isn't 'partygate' or any other manufactured 'gate'. It's Brexit - and still you're falling for it//
Manufactured? Lol! Like the lies Johnson made to cover his attendance at parties or for a predatory sex pest? Do you even acknowledge the Gray Report? Probably not!
Nothing to do with Brexit, he’s not answering questions from the committee about that.
As for falling, yes, we know who you fell for a long time ago and still do every day but he’s been found out and will shortly end his tenure in continued disgrace but please continue to defend and fawn over him, it’s both incredulous and amusing at the same time.
//And that's no different. Major's problem isn't 'partygate' or any other manufactured 'gate'. It's Brexit - and still you're falling for it//
Manufactured? Lol! Like the lies Johnson made to cover his attendance at parties or for a predatory sex pest? Do you even acknowledge the Gray Report? Probably not!
Nothing to do with Brexit, he’s not answering questions from the committee about that.
As for falling, yes, we know who you fell for a long time ago and still do every day but he’s been found out and will shortly end his tenure in continued disgrace but please continue to defend and fawn over him, it’s both incredulous and amusing at the same time.
//... your continuing defence and fawning over the biggest stain on democracy this country has ever seen.//
Er... not quite.
The biggest stain on democracy seen in recent years is the attempted betrayal by the "ruling classes" (aka "The Blob") of the most clear cut and straightforward democratic decision the electorate has given its ruling on when they were (reluctantly) asked - to leave the EU. Of the washed up derelicts participating in that campaign, one of the principal cheerleaders was the Right Honourable Sir John Major, KG CH. Quite why they keep wheeling this man out to appear before Commons' Committees - especially to comment on "democracy" - is a mystery. But then again perhaps it isn't. His version of democracy seems to align quite closely with that of the EU.
Interestingly it that Nice Mr Major's action as PM in 1993 (mentioned by OG @ 00:17) that made me determined to vote to leave the EU if ever given the chance - a determination that remained with me for 23 years despite what was written on the side of a bus. And he has the effrontery to preach about democracy!
Er... not quite.
The biggest stain on democracy seen in recent years is the attempted betrayal by the "ruling classes" (aka "The Blob") of the most clear cut and straightforward democratic decision the electorate has given its ruling on when they were (reluctantly) asked - to leave the EU. Of the washed up derelicts participating in that campaign, one of the principal cheerleaders was the Right Honourable Sir John Major, KG CH. Quite why they keep wheeling this man out to appear before Commons' Committees - especially to comment on "democracy" - is a mystery. But then again perhaps it isn't. His version of democracy seems to align quite closely with that of the EU.
Interestingly it that Nice Mr Major's action as PM in 1993 (mentioned by OG @ 00:17) that made me determined to vote to leave the EU if ever given the chance - a determination that remained with me for 23 years despite what was written on the side of a bus. And he has the effrontery to preach about democracy!
That’s your opinion New Judge.
Apart from his affair with Currie I don’t recall Major illegally proroguing parliament, lying to parliament, breaking his own laws and receiving a FPN, changing rules to cover the Paterson scandal, lying to the Queen, lying about knowing about a predatory sex pest prior to appointing him to high office nor changing the ministerial code in order to ensure cabinet are held less accountable to their colleagues in Westminster and the electorate.
I guess we each have a different perspective?
I tend to side with Major and many more Tory and cross-party grandee’s who are obviously of the same mindset about Johnson.
Apart from his affair with Currie I don’t recall Major illegally proroguing parliament, lying to parliament, breaking his own laws and receiving a FPN, changing rules to cover the Paterson scandal, lying to the Queen, lying about knowing about a predatory sex pest prior to appointing him to high office nor changing the ministerial code in order to ensure cabinet are held less accountable to their colleagues in Westminster and the electorate.
I guess we each have a different perspective?
I tend to side with Major and many more Tory and cross-party grandee’s who are obviously of the same mindset about Johnson.
//I guess we each have a different perspective?//
Yes we do. I have long held the belief that all politicians (of every persuasion) are lying, chilselling bar stewards, only in politics to further their own ends. I only believe what they say when they don't open their mouths - and even then I'm wary. That way I'm rarely disappointed.
The things you mention did not actually cause me too much difficulty or grief. Mr Major signing the Maastricht Treaty most certainly did. Just to touch on one of those things, Mr Johnson would not have needed to attempt to prorogue Parliament had the Commons not been so obstructive by voting down every proposal he made to ensure our departure from the EU. MPs had plentiful opportunities to formally reverse the decision of the referendum but they chose not to do so - voting by five to one to trigger Article 50. The campaign that Johnson had to endure was a hypocritical attempt to stymie that decision but demonstrate it was not their fault and it once again took the electorate to remedy matters.
But that's all water under the bridge and none of it explains why the likes of Major and Heseltine are continually wheeled out as a pair of wise old sages who might have anything constructive to add to the nation's affairs.
Yes we do. I have long held the belief that all politicians (of every persuasion) are lying, chilselling bar stewards, only in politics to further their own ends. I only believe what they say when they don't open their mouths - and even then I'm wary. That way I'm rarely disappointed.
The things you mention did not actually cause me too much difficulty or grief. Mr Major signing the Maastricht Treaty most certainly did. Just to touch on one of those things, Mr Johnson would not have needed to attempt to prorogue Parliament had the Commons not been so obstructive by voting down every proposal he made to ensure our departure from the EU. MPs had plentiful opportunities to formally reverse the decision of the referendum but they chose not to do so - voting by five to one to trigger Article 50. The campaign that Johnson had to endure was a hypocritical attempt to stymie that decision but demonstrate it was not their fault and it once again took the electorate to remedy matters.
But that's all water under the bridge and none of it explains why the likes of Major and Heseltine are continually wheeled out as a pair of wise old sages who might have anything constructive to add to the nation's affairs.
I'm still struggling to understand what Major's very dubious deliberations on 'democracy' have to do with Boris's departure. Oh, wait a minute. Boris was one of the few who didn't balk against the result if the referendum, didn't try to stymie it, didn't try to wheedle around it, and despite all the opposition, was courageous enough to do what the majority of the people in this country wanted done. That'll be it then.
"how are you with the woman who signed the Single European Act?"
You refer to Margaret Thatcher. Generally speaking I have a very low opinion of her activity in parliament. Normally I'd say the only thing she did well was fighting for UK interests within the Common Market. However signing up to something that gave the organisation qualified majority voting, and on top allowed free movement of capital and people within member nations, was probably one of the daftest things she did. It clearly escaped her attention that it was claimed to be a trading block not carte blanche to impose things on member nations whather they liked it or not, nor to allow import of cheap labour to replace workers in the nation thst needed a readinable rate and working conditions, nor allow the rich merchant class to profit from your nation and then take that wealth elsewhere rather than keep it to invest in the country in order to benefit the citizens they'd made the profits from in the first place.
You refer to Margaret Thatcher. Generally speaking I have a very low opinion of her activity in parliament. Normally I'd say the only thing she did well was fighting for UK interests within the Common Market. However signing up to something that gave the organisation qualified majority voting, and on top allowed free movement of capital and people within member nations, was probably one of the daftest things she did. It clearly escaped her attention that it was claimed to be a trading block not carte blanche to impose things on member nations whather they liked it or not, nor to allow import of cheap labour to replace workers in the nation thst needed a readinable rate and working conditions, nor allow the rich merchant class to profit from your nation and then take that wealth elsewhere rather than keep it to invest in the country in order to benefit the citizens they'd made the profits from in the first place.
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//I'm still struggling to understand what Major's very dubious deliberations on 'democracy' have to do with Boris's departure. Oh, wait a minute. Boris was one of the few who didn't balk against the result if the referendum//
…..but all the sane had two statements prepared, just to cover himself.
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As for the ‘struggling to understand’ you always will for as long as you continue the doe-eyed admiration of your fallen idol, everyone can see that.
//I'm still struggling to understand what Major's very dubious deliberations on 'democracy' have to do with Boris's departure. Oh, wait a minute. Boris was one of the few who didn't balk against the result if the referendum//
…..but all the sane had two statements prepared, just to cover himself.
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As for the ‘struggling to understand’ you always will for as long as you continue the doe-eyed admiration of your fallen idol, everyone can see that.
“Democracy is not inevitable. It can be undone step by step, action by action, falsehood by falsehood. It needs to be protected at all times.”
Pity that the hypocrite didn't think along these lines as he was trying his best to overturn a democratic decision to leave the EU. The EU was one of his pet projects, hence his determination to make sure that the UK would be permanently tethered.
Pity that the hypocrite didn't think along these lines as he was trying his best to overturn a democratic decision to leave the EU. The EU was one of his pet projects, hence his determination to make sure that the UK would be permanently tethered.
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