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mibn2cweus | 01:15 Tue 01st Apr 2008 | Religion & Spirituality
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Since Naomi will not give me the ****ing key I have decided to follow Jesus and be a Christian just like Theland. I am ashamed of my past history here so I'm going to devote the time I used to spend on ab to reading the Bible. No question really because I no longer care about what people think. I'll get all my answers from God from now on thank you.
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Sorry for the delay. I've tried to get in several times today, but my key seems to be bent. Fortunately it straightened out tonight - must be that lubricating vino collapso!

Yes, R&S could do with a bit of rejuvenation. I don't remember it ever being quite so argumentative or so rude in the past. Do you?

That programme sounds interesting, Luna. Maybe it will be repeated. I'll keep a look out for it.

Do you talk to yourself, Starman? I do - all the time. Such a very sensible thing to do, I always think.

Got to go to bed. Just about had it today, and enough is enough. Richard Dawkins, here I come - you lucky man!!

See you tomorrow (well, sort of). :o)

Night. x
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When it comes to meaningful communication, I seem to be the one person who occasionally understands what the hell I'm talking about . . . even if we do not always agree . . .

I do however try to avoid group conversations . . . one debater at a time please . . . Alrighty then, as you wish, me first! . . . No me, you always get to go first! . . . Alright you two, flip a coin or get a room.
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Keep going Starman. You're winning!! Atta Boy!!!! Grrrrr!!

Saturn's got a lot, Luna (if you count all those bits of rock swizzing around in its rings). Cor, I bet there's a whacking great hole in it somewhere! Beats our Grand Canyon hands down I reckon! Mmm ..... mmmm ..... lend me a clog Luna.
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Now that's what I call stingey!! (How do you spell stingey? Oh I don't know - but you know what I mean - meany!!).

And just for that, your task for tonight is to count the 'moons' of Saturn - and I want an accurate answer! Ha!

Nighty, night to you both - or to you all if anyone else is around. x
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Luny, I've just had a look at your science question, and at least they were arguing about the way a watch actually works. Not like the bunch I run into who continually give me the third degree in a very personal way, regardless of the question originally asked. It's a mystery to me why they do it. Maybe, as someone once said, I'm an enigma!! Can't think why though. :o/

And that leads me to your question for tonight, with once again, plenty of time to ponder. The question is why do they do it? And chaps ...... accurate and honest answers only please. I can take it - and I'll be awarding stars you know. Starman could probably do with a few extra by now. He must be running short!

See you later. x
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Luna, Surely your not suggesting that your question was . . . a wind-up? . . . ~o">
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Naomi, as your last post clearly implied, such is an inevitable consequence in a debate over a non-existent being for heaven's sake. Where evidence is nowhere to be found what other recourse is there but to attack the one suggesting that perhaps the emperor wears no clothes.

Religionists have a remarkable ability to change the subject when delving into the issue at hand might expose an inherent fallacy. The crux of any debate about religion will always lie in the presumption of the existence of an undefined entity. God is the central issue, the culprit, the villain.

There is an even wider issue involved in these debates that derails objective analysis in secular as well as religious themes. The failure to grasp where the faculty of consciousness arises, between the ears of a living sentient physical being. Once one has made this distinction the existence of a purposeful and causal entity prior to the existence of a universe which provides the means for such an entity to evolve, such preexisting abilities fall clearly into the realm of the absurd.

It�s all and always has been a big mistake, a presumption predicated on ignorance, diverting our attention from the real and important issue we face as existentially condition beings . . . how best to live together in this life on this Earth, deriving the benefits available to us thru mutual understanding of the demands imposed and realising the potentials available to us with respect to our nature, and achieving and maintaining peace.
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So what the hell am I doing here flittering about in the R&S topics? This is the closest thing in ab-land to a philosophy section. It is philosophy, not religion, its antithesis, in which we explore the means and justification for our existence. It is the derivation of knowledge and the love of wisdom that supports the existence an entity with the capacity to do so . . . not the glorification of death which is religions only purpose.

Religion is not designed to promote the existence of its followers but to envelope and destroy the desire and joy of those who love their own existence. Isolated from the benefits provided by those who pursue and provide for life, religion would be a starving leach, devoured by its own ineptitude and hatred for existence.

It is not to destroy those seeking mutual self-annihilation thru religion but to liberate those who seek the self promoting virtues of knowledge and understanding to whom I offer my perspective.
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Luna, a whole packet of Hobnobs, encased in an uncrushable box, is in the post, and Starman, consider yourself to be positively twinkling. Ding!!

People are strange. Often when they go off at a tangent in R&S I'm absolutely incredulous at what transpires. I have to remind myself that these are grown men. Even though I see anything said here simply as debate, it seems they take everything so very personally and with a lot of resentment, bitterness and plain old anger - and that in itself is proof positive of the detrimental effect that religion has upon the human psyche. I'm pretty certain they know their attacks are utterly dishonest, but, sadly, what they don't appear to be aware of is that they've completely and voluntarily surrendered the whole of their wonderful intellect to a fabricated lie - and they are determined to defend that lie even at the expense of their own integrity. What a shameful waste.
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Yes, I do know what you mean, Luna - only it's even more puzzling than that. :o)

Night chaps. x
Morning Chaps

Wiz has posted a very interesting question about the universe in R&S. A breath of fresh air - at the moment! :o)
Err... bit quiet ... never mind. I told you I talk to myself!!

Night night. x
As Mr Hitchens said, if there is no soul, then there is no aknowledgement of sin, and only phsical bodies to save from poverty, illness, hunger and a lack of social welfare.
But then, we see all around us, generations of people devoid of a moral anchor, and existing in an ethical vacuum.
Religion has been thrown out in a tidal wave of secularism, which in its turn only hopes to establish Utopia, but has so miserably failed!
I work with people doing extremely phsically hard work in terrible conditions, 10 hours a day and 7 days a week.
When should they reflect on the meaning of life, after getting home exhausted to feed, wash, and sleep ready to begin another day?
Reason? Logic?
Paying the bills is a success to these people!

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