Adam and Eve, what if...

[Outdoorsman]

Another question that's been bothering me is: what if Adam and Eve had never disobeyed God? There wouldn't have been need of the flood for a start. Adam and Eve would still be alive today. God's Son wouldn't have to have been born - and killed on a cross ( or torture steak, according to some religions). What would life be like today - if everyone obeyed God 100%?

[jojojojoanne]

I wouldn't know as that has never happened(one religion: world at peace?!) though perhaps society/the world would not have as much variation and perhaps be monotonus as a result. Perhaps 'rigidity/moral 'oneness' (everybody living by the same rules) could on the one hand solve but also create its' own set of 'problems' as with everything(?) This(ideal?) could arguably reduce competition,ambition and maybe erode 'tiers/levels' that are 'questionably' needed to enable society/people to 'survive' and live 'productive/fulfilling' lives that are/is 'right' for the individual at a certain particular 'place' in time and taking their individual standing,ability and also their actual life span into consideration. Also morals/ modern society and 'real' life have to be taken into consideration and differentiation in 'society/we' who essentially make up the whole, is it 'healthy' mentally and physically for life/a world without question?or to look from another perspective: a world of acceptance? and what possible effects could this have on civilisation (if it was a reality)?

[wizard69]

Mani, I find your belief that god orchastrated the 'fall' as rather odd.
Are you really saying that god, not only knew in advance but actually engeneered something that would bring about death, starvation, abuse, disease, and other untold miseries on mankind in order that he could show off his 'love'?

[WaldoMcFroog]

I'm going to go home tonight and steal my daughter's favourite toy in order that I can show her how caring I can be when I comfort her tiny bawling face.

I doubt she'll understand, being only six months old, but hey - Daddy moves in mysterious ways.

[miles488]

an interesting - to me at least, as a non-christian - way of thinking about this story is that leaving the garden of eden symbolises a move away from the bliss of ignorance...the 'it was woman's fault' stuff and the judgemental tone reflects the original prejudices of the prophet's times/culture or whoever wrote this down.
the christ story seems to me to be only indirectly connected - i always read that as showing how we will be crucified by the non-spiritual decisions we have made and need to find a truly spiritual pasth...but, like i said, i'm not from the cult of christianity. =P
as an interesting side-bar to that - think about how often in a person't life it is around when they are 33 that their lives fall apart and they must decide how they intend to deal with the Big Questions in life.
so - for me to ask what would happen if we hadn't left our edenic bliss is logically equivalent to asking what is the meaning of life and it seems like that is very different for different people but growth and becoming more of our potential seems pretty useful. growth and becoming what we really are is really never gonna happen when you're in constant, mind-less bliss, is it?

[Llamatron]

I don't understand what 'Jesus dying for our sins' actually means. Is it supposed to make sense?

Anyway wasn't he resurrected a couple of days later? 'Hey guys I'm dying for your sins. Oh no I'm not, just kidding'


You religious types believe in some crazy things.

[naomi24]

Wiz - of course god knew in advance. He knows everything - which begs the question "Why/"