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Have Non-Muslims Lost The Will To Fight?
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'In thirty years, France has undergone an accelerated process of Islamization.
Yusuf al-Qaradawi, spiritual leader of the main Islamic movement in France, explained how Muslims living in the West have to proceed: they may use terror, they may use seduction, exploit Westerners' sense of guilt, grab public spaces, change laws, and create their own society inside Western societies until they become Muslim societies.
France used to be a country where religious neutrality in the public space was seen as an essential principle. Muslim extremists appear to be using Islamic veils and head-coverings as visible symbols to create the impression that Islam is everywhere.
Politicians claim that they respect human rights, but they seem to have forgotten the human rights of the women who do not cover up -- of those who suffer from Islamization, who are no longer free to write, think, or go for a walk on the street.
Politicians refused to "stigmatize" Islam and do not want to see the consequences: harassment, rapes, the destruction of freedom.
French journalists write under the threat of trial or assault, and almost never use the phrase "Islamic terrorism." Almost all books on Islam in French bookstores are written by Islamists or by authors praising Islam.'
[i] Guy Millière [i]
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A black man is shot under unclear (as yet) circumstances in North Carolina and there is outrage and mass protests and marches everywhere by blacks and whites, under the banner of 'Black Lives Matter'.
An elderly catholic priest, Father Hamel, is beheaded as he says mass at the altar in his own church in Rouen, France, by Muslim jihadists, and there isn't one single protest march in that country or anywhere else, which begs the question, do white Christian lives not matter too, or have we really "lost the will to fight"?
An elderly catholic priest, Father Hamel, is beheaded as he says mass at the altar in his own church in Rouen, France, by Muslim jihadists, and there isn't one single protest march in that country or anywhere else, which begs the question, do white Christian lives not matter too, or have we really "lost the will to fight"?
//So far it seems that the murder of the priest was a one off incident, the shootings by police of black men in the USA seems to be a recurring event. Whether there is a pattern in it or not, to many people there seems to be one.//
One-off, Jom? Not a recurring event, then? No pattern to be observed (or possibly imagined)? I'll give you a clue: "Allahu Akbar!".
One-off, Jom? Not a recurring event, then? No pattern to be observed (or possibly imagined)? I'll give you a clue: "Allahu Akbar!".
jomifl; (hi!) // it seems that the murder of the priest was a one-off incident,//
Well there were the French police couple stabbed to death in their own home near Paris in July, 84 people mowed down and killed, plus many injured in Nice, and then Charlie Hebdo and the 4 Jews killed in a Paris supermarket.
How many does it take to make a 'pattern'? and more succinctly, how many does it take before launching a protest?
Well there were the French police couple stabbed to death in their own home near Paris in July, 84 people mowed down and killed, plus many injured in Nice, and then Charlie Hebdo and the 4 Jews killed in a Paris supermarket.
How many does it take to make a 'pattern'? and more succinctly, how many does it take before launching a protest?
Jomifl, do you not think the murder of the priest may have had something to do with this?
//An Islamic State spokesman has urged sympathizers in Europe and the US to launch attacks on civilians there if they are unable to travel to the group’s self-declared caliphate in Syria and Iraq.//
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//An Islamic State spokesman has urged sympathizers in Europe and the US to launch attacks on civilians there if they are unable to travel to the group’s self-declared caliphate in Syria and Iraq.//
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jomifl; Try to imagine the response from the Muslim world if a non-Muslim were to harm an imam, - let alone cut his head off! The riots and violence that would follow I do not advocate, but I do think some form of peaceful protest should be in order.
Nothing has been done in France in the face of these atrocities, the 'Je suis Charlie' approach and lighting candles for the victims is feeble and gets nowhere. It appears the belief is, pretend it hasn't happened and it will somehow go away. Any group that has the courage to protest in other countries is immediately branded as racists, so Islamification wins again and can spread further, unhindered.
Nothing has been done in France in the face of these atrocities, the 'Je suis Charlie' approach and lighting candles for the victims is feeble and gets nowhere. It appears the belief is, pretend it hasn't happened and it will somehow go away. Any group that has the courage to protest in other countries is immediately branded as racists, so Islamification wins again and can spread further, unhindered.
>Those things are written in Islamic law. ‘Challenging’ them will get you nowhere – so who are you going to talk to?
Islamic law is not relevant. There are things we can do to challenge things like homophobia and treating women as second class citizens and radicalisation. Student unions can make a start, for example.
>Are you happy to tolerate those practices?
You are trying to argue when there is nothing to argue about. I said we should challenge them. If they are illegal they should/will be dealt with.
My issue is that the word Fight. Some want to fight muslims and not have them here. It's just the unacceptable practices we should challenge. Trying to eliminate a religion will not work
Islamic law is not relevant. There are things we can do to challenge things like homophobia and treating women as second class citizens and radicalisation. Student unions can make a start, for example.
>Are you happy to tolerate those practices?
You are trying to argue when there is nothing to argue about. I said we should challenge them. If they are illegal they should/will be dealt with.
My issue is that the word Fight. Some want to fight muslims and not have them here. It's just the unacceptable practices we should challenge. Trying to eliminate a religion will not work
fiction-factory, //Islamic law is not relevant……Trying to eliminate a religion will not work//
Islamic law and the religion of Islam are intrinsically linked. You can’t have one without the other. The BBC explains it in simple terms….
//Sharia law is Islam's legal system. It is derived from both the Koran, Islam's central text, and fatwas - the rulings of Islamic scholars.
Sharia literally means "the clear, well-trodden path to water".
Sharia law acts as a code for living that all Muslims should adhere to, including prayers, fasting and donations to the poor.
It aims to help Muslims understand how they should lead every aspect of their lives according to God's wishes.//
To suggest that the west can challenge that with any success is simply nonsense.
Islamic law and the religion of Islam are intrinsically linked. You can’t have one without the other. The BBC explains it in simple terms….
//Sharia law is Islam's legal system. It is derived from both the Koran, Islam's central text, and fatwas - the rulings of Islamic scholars.
Sharia literally means "the clear, well-trodden path to water".
Sharia law acts as a code for living that all Muslims should adhere to, including prayers, fasting and donations to the poor.
It aims to help Muslims understand how they should lead every aspect of their lives according to God's wishes.//
To suggest that the west can challenge that with any success is simply nonsense.
fiction-factory, // Our laws are what matter in the UK //
To you, but not to them. Muslims in foreign lands are commanded to obey the law of the land - unless it is at odds with the law Islam. You, like many others, make the mistake of comparing Islam to other religions and of aligning the Muslim mindset with your own. Neither bear any comparison whatsoever. You won't tell me I'm talking nonsense when you've learnt a bit more about it - but since you refuse to listen, I doubt you ever will.
To you, but not to them. Muslims in foreign lands are commanded to obey the law of the land - unless it is at odds with the law Islam. You, like many others, make the mistake of comparing Islam to other religions and of aligning the Muslim mindset with your own. Neither bear any comparison whatsoever. You won't tell me I'm talking nonsense when you've learnt a bit more about it - but since you refuse to listen, I doubt you ever will.
Mmm- I remember your post on the BIDMAS thread and said nothing at the time.
" Check it's out - it's all verifiable" is a nonsensical statement - what's all verifiable? Everything you say?
Okay you have said before you think you know more than others about all things Muslim so there is no point in these discussions
Bye
" Check it's out - it's all verifiable" is a nonsensical statement - what's all verifiable? Everything you say?
Okay you have said before you think you know more than others about all things Muslim so there is no point in these discussions
Bye
fiction-factory, my post on the BIDMAS thread? What are you talking about?
The messenger shooters (and that includes you) have said many times that I think I know more about Islam than anyone else – but I’ve never said it. Everything I say about Islam can be verified (I wouldn’t say it otherwise – that would be silly) so why are you are so reluctant to make the effort to check it out? I can only conclude that you don’t want to acknowledge the truth…. but take heart …. around here you are far from being alone. ;o)
The messenger shooters (and that includes you) have said many times that I think I know more about Islam than anyone else – but I’ve never said it. Everything I say about Islam can be verified (I wouldn’t say it otherwise – that would be silly) so why are you are so reluctant to make the effort to check it out? I can only conclude that you don’t want to acknowledge the truth…. but take heart …. around here you are far from being alone. ;o)
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