Have Non-Muslims Lost The Will To Fight?

[Khandro]

'In thirty years, France has undergone an accelerated process of Islamization.

Yusuf al-Qaradawi, spiritual leader of the main Islamic movement in France, explained how Muslims living in the West have to proceed: they may use terror, they may use seduction, exploit Westerners' sense of guilt, grab public spaces, change laws, and create their own society inside Western societies until they become Muslim societies.

France used to be a country where religious neutrality in the public space was seen as an essential principle. Muslim extremists appear to be using Islamic veils and head-coverings as visible symbols to create the impression that Islam is everywhere.

Politicians claim that they respect human rights, but they seem to have forgotten the human rights of the women who do not cover up -- of those who suffer from Islamization, who are no longer free to write, think, or go for a walk on the street.

Politicians refused to "stigmatize" Islam and do not want to see the consequences: harassment, rapes, the destruction of freedom.

French journalists write under the threat of trial or assault, and almost never use the phrase "Islamic terrorism." Almost all books on Islam in French bookstores are written by Islamists or by authors praising Islam.'

[i] Guy Millière [i]

[Peter Pedant]

// It's quite clear, Islam represents 46% of the population.//

it is quite clearly rubbish

every second ( OK zegond ) frenchman I meet is islamic ?
I really dont think so
even if it says so somewhere on the internet

[vetuste_ennemi]

superb analysis by AB's favourite petomane.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Oops! Meant polymath.

[Jackdaw33]

No you didn't.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Spot on there, Jackdaw!

Gold star.

[birdie1971]

VE - “.... Charlie Hebdo cartoonists a lot of people became Charlies for a day (maybe two) and waved pencils about, but not a single mainstream news medium either in France or the rest of the "free" world showed the cartoons which actually caused the death of twelve journalists. My conclusion then was that Sharia blasphemy laws had trumped one of the West's greatest values - freedom of speech....”

I could not agree more. The concept of free speech is being slowly stifled by Islam. The creeping Islamic agenda is in the ascendancy. I fear for the future. Not for me though. I'll be well dead and buried before this abhorrent, violent, pathetic excuse for a religion becomes overarching and corrupts every facet of everyday life. The current liberal media are the proverbial turkeys voting for Christmas. They condemn all who criticise Islam, thinking that they are supporting a weak and marginalised belief system. Their ignorance of the Koran will be their undoing. By the time they realise this, it will be too late. Free speech will evaporate in a puff of nothingness and will be replaced with Islamic 'proofs'. Heads will literally roll. Hand and feet will be removed. In dark corners, questions will be asked. Questions such as, “How did we allow this to happen?” and “Why didn't we fight back sooner when we saw the threat?”...

[wildwood]

Until politicians in most Western Societies grow a pair, Islam is successfully invading them with incognito refuges and others conquering avenues.

[fiction-factory]

Yes the 46% figure has been misused here.
I'm not sure why we need to fight Muslims. Why not try to work together. it's terrorism we need to fight

[naomi24]

fiction-factory, //Why not try to work together.//

Do you not understand the OP?

[THECORBYLOON]

BALDRIC, the table in your link shows the following,

Religion Population % of immigrant population
Islam 3,040,000 46
If 46% of the French (as opposed to the whole population) were Muslim, do you not think we would have heard about it before now?

[naomi24]

It's 46% of the immigrant population.

[THECORBYLOON]

Sorry that should have read "( as opposed to the immigrant population)..."

[jomifl]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-37465656

Lets work with this guy...ooops he's dead

[naomi24]

jomifl, I was just reading that. Jordan, listed among the ten most liberal Muslim countries in the world. Nevertheless, the perception of having insulted God and Islam is deemed a crime. What hope?

[fiction-factory]

Nomi- I don't understand your comment "Do you not understand the OP"

The only question was in the title. The rest of the post was just a quote that adds nothing .

Fight suggests conflict, Working together but challenging certain aspects seems more likely to succeed than fighting. Yes we can challenge the homophobia and sex discrimination in the culture and the unwillingness of many to integrate and denounce terrorism/radicalisation/jihadism.

[naomi24]

fiction-factory, //I don't understand your comment "Do you not understand the OP"//

That was in response to your post 09:25 when you said ‘it's terrorism we need to fight’, The OP is about far more than terrorism.

// Yes we can challenge the homophobia and sex discrimination in the culture and the unwillingness of many to integrate and denounce terrorism/radicalisation/jihadism.//

Those things are written in Islamic law. ‘Challenging’ them will get you nowhere – so who are you going to talk to?

[Baldric]

///Working together but challenging certain aspects seems more likely to succeed than fighting.///

Perhaps we should try a 'Hug a Muslim Day' that should do it!

[Khandro]

Actually, I was loathe to complete the quotation because it raises the dreaded burkini subject, but as it applies to the above, here goes;

'In Sisco, Corsica, on August 13, a group of Muslim men arrived on a beach in the company of women wearing "burkinis" (full-body bathing costumes). The Muslim men firmly asked the tourists on the beach to leave and posted signs saying "No Entry". When a few teenagers resisted, the Muslim men responded with a harpoon and baseball bats. The police intervened -- but it was just the beginning.

In the following days on French beaches, Muslim men showed up, accompanied by women in burkinis and asking beachgoers to leave. Tourists packed up and fled. Several mayors of seaside resorts decided to ban the bathing costume, and the "burkini ban" scandal was born.'

[vulcan42]

We could try Hug a Muslim day but they would probably see it as Mug a Muslim day and call the Police.

[fiction-factory]

Well I can certainly see that hatred and intolerance works both ways. Some on here claim to know everything about Islam and how to eliminate/fight it but are deluding themselves