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God's Right To Kill ?
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I was talking to a group of theists and I asked them how they could justify the killing of thousands of innocent new born babies in Sodom and Gommorrah.
Their answer was God's laws are never to be broken. Their parents had sinned and the punishment was meted out to them and their descendants.
God gives us life and therefore has the right to take it away as he wishes. His justice is not to be compared with our sense of justice.
They quoted how he commanded the man who picked up sticks on God's sabbath to be stoned to death. It was an appropriate sentence because the man was deliberately defying God and there is no greater crime.
What say you ?
Their answer was God's laws are never to be broken. Their parents had sinned and the punishment was meted out to them and their descendants.
God gives us life and therefore has the right to take it away as he wishes. His justice is not to be compared with our sense of justice.
They quoted how he commanded the man who picked up sticks on God's sabbath to be stoned to death. It was an appropriate sentence because the man was deliberately defying God and there is no greater crime.
What say you ?
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^^Irresponsi
14:46 Mon 11th Nov 2013
"Was killing millions of Japanese with nukes right or wrong?"
It's hard to see what exactly the right decision is when both of your alternatives involve killing millions of people. So I'd say it was neither. But that was an action by man - a being that nobody seriously believes is morally perfect. Naomi is right- it doesn't have anything to do with how God can justify killing and in the same breath be described as moral.
It's hard to see what exactly the right decision is when both of your alternatives involve killing millions of people. So I'd say it was neither. But that was an action by man - a being that nobody seriously believes is morally perfect. Naomi is right- it doesn't have anything to do with how God can justify killing and in the same breath be described as moral.
Because this God’s actions cannot, under any circumstances, be morally justified, Keyplus’ intention here is to divert the discussion – and if we’re not careful, pretty soon we’ll all end up discussing something else entirely – most likely Islam and Keyplus perception of the alleged injustice it suffers.
Keyplus,
Since Japanese soldiers were fiercely loyal to their 'god emperor' and would rarely surrender the only way the US could end the war which the Japanese had started was to kill or incapacitate the Japanese army. If the war had continued with the invasion of the Japanese home islands it would have necessited the deaths of 500,000-750,000 US soldiers and about 4 million Japanese soldiers. This does not include the number of Japanese civilians who would have been 'collateral' casualties. It is interesting that the first nuclear bomb did not make a sufficient impression on the Japanese oligarchy to induce a surrender.
Since Japanese soldiers were fiercely loyal to their 'god emperor' and would rarely surrender the only way the US could end the war which the Japanese had started was to kill or incapacitate the Japanese army. If the war had continued with the invasion of the Japanese home islands it would have necessited the deaths of 500,000-750,000 US soldiers and about 4 million Japanese soldiers. This does not include the number of Japanese civilians who would have been 'collateral' casualties. It is interesting that the first nuclear bomb did not make a sufficient impression on the Japanese oligarchy to induce a surrender.
Guillie If we are to accept the 10 commandments then we need to accept the punishments for breaking them. There many sites on Google which details them as they applied in the bronze age and if they are applicable today.
This Baptist site one sets it out in the form of a chart.
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jomifl You are right but the problem is when it comes down to fundemental questions most theists ignore them or avoid them by digressing .
In my OP one of the vicars finally said it was a valid question but he would like to think about it more and come back to me.
This Baptist site one sets it out in the form of a chart.
http://
jomifl You are right but the problem is when it comes down to fundemental questions most theists ignore them or avoid them by digressing .
In my OP one of the vicars finally said it was a valid question but he would like to think about it more and come back to me.
Highly entertaining modeller, The punishments listed are not part of the ten commandments so are not sponsored by god. In fact the punishments are derived from the OT so are just historical curiosities (unless you were on the receiving end of the punishment). It seems that in order to carry out any of the punishments a person would break the very commandments themselves. So probably a good idea is to leave the punishments to god who in the fullness of time may get around to it but may not, depending on how seriously he take this stuff and if he exists.
Modeller@
You think you know your Bible, but you don't! Just plucking odd verses out of context means nothing! God ALWAYS forwarns people of what he is going to do and the consequences.
Back then they were warned and they chose to ignore the warning so they had to face the consequences. Like today, people are given laws and the warnings of failing to keep the laws, failure to keep the law has consequences, whether that be prison or a fine (in some lands, execution) that was how it was back in early times,so simple for some.
You think you know your Bible, but you don't! Just plucking odd verses out of context means nothing! God ALWAYS forwarns people of what he is going to do and the consequences.
Back then they were warned and they chose to ignore the warning so they had to face the consequences. Like today, people are given laws and the warnings of failing to keep the laws, failure to keep the law has consequences, whether that be prison or a fine (in some lands, execution) that was how it was back in early times,so simple for some.
The concept of 'God' - a higher being, comforts a lot of people, and they will go to endless lengths to ensure that their comfort is not removed from them.
That is why legions of people devote their lives to their god - in what ever form, and if it comforts them, fine.
Those of us who feel no need of such comfort happily coexist alongside believers, unless the believers try too hard to inflict their ideas on others, which leads to conflict.
It really boils down to that.
I am covered either way - if there is no god and no afterlife, I will know nothing about it. If there is a god, I have endeavoured to live a good life, and he will know this and forgive me, and that suits both of us.
As for the natural horrors in the world - Sugar happens.
That is why legions of people devote their lives to their god - in what ever form, and if it comforts them, fine.
Those of us who feel no need of such comfort happily coexist alongside believers, unless the believers try too hard to inflict their ideas on others, which leads to conflict.
It really boils down to that.
I am covered either way - if there is no god and no afterlife, I will know nothing about it. If there is a god, I have endeavoured to live a good life, and he will know this and forgive me, and that suits both of us.
As for the natural horrors in the world - Sugar happens.
Modeller, //This Baptist site one sets it out in the form of a chart. //
That church doesn’t exist. It’s fictional – the clues being ‘Guaranteeing salvation since 1620’, and ‘Where the worthwhile worship, unsaved unwelcome’.
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That church doesn’t exist. It’s fictional – the clues being ‘Guaranteeing salvation since 1620’, and ‘Where the worthwhile worship, unsaved unwelcome’.
http://
Quite right jomifl . But that' s not my point . This topic is RS and the questions and answers are related to it, which in practice means questioning what is written in the holy books .
We are told by the theists that we should believe what is written because the authors were instructed by God. We are told that all the stories of God's actions from the flood to the resurrection are true. OK I will go along with that and just ask simple questions on the way .
My simple question is :
# How can you justify the killing of thousands of innocent new born babies in Sodom and Gommorrah. #
If Zac , Ivor , and Keyplus would like to answer the question rather than wriggling around it , I would sincerely like to know.
We are told by the theists that we should believe what is written because the authors were instructed by God. We are told that all the stories of God's actions from the flood to the resurrection are true. OK I will go along with that and just ask simple questions on the way .
My simple question is :
# How can you justify the killing of thousands of innocent new born babies in Sodom and Gommorrah. #
If Zac , Ivor , and Keyplus would like to answer the question rather than wriggling around it , I would sincerely like to know.
It seems as though some people have an image of "God" that comes from the likes of old films such as Jason and the Argonauts where the gods were looking down on the planet and manipulatng all the people as if they were marionettes such as tilting islands so that all the occupants would be tumbled into the sea etc.
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