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Why are atheists so mistrusted (despised?) by those who believe?
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I've often heard it said (mostly by Americans on TV) that they'd rather vote for someone who was religious, regardless of their religion, than they would an atheist.
So two questions:
Question A: Christians, who would you prefer to have as a neighbour - a muslim or an atheist?
Question B: Muslims, who would you prefer to have as a neighbour - a christian or an atheist?
So two questions:
Question A: Christians, who would you prefer to have as a neighbour - a muslim or an atheist?
Question B: Muslims, who would you prefer to have as a neighbour - a christian or an atheist?
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Khandro, knowingly or unknowingly you have given few people wrong impression that you agreed with me. And on this website it is considered a serious crime by few permanent members, and I can see that you have to do some explaining. I usually ignore whatever Birdie says as that is how much he deserves out of my time. His (and many others people’s) knowledge about Pakistan and Afghanistan depends upon media, mine does not. Naomi mentioned my name and claimed that I once said that time will come that Taleban will become hero again as they once were. Yes I did say that couple of years ago and that is already happening. And that’s all I have to say as few people will always differ with whatever I would say only because those would be my words. Anyone who does not agree with me should try answering few questions I posted in my previous post.
Vulcan – I have no idea what sort of proof would be acceptable for you because that is the beauty of secret agencies that they keep everything secret or do not leave much of proof. But there is one very basic and fundamental principle to solve any crime. Who benefited out of that?
Finally, people who I have never seen (or read) condemning innocent children being killed in Palestine, Kashmir, Afghanistan and Pakistan by state terrorism questions my condemnation. These same people will not follow my words of condemnation that includes anyone innocent, killed anywhere by anyone. What a degree of hypocrisy and arrogance; Arrogance was the word how I described theists on this thread right in the beginning.
Vulcan – I have no idea what sort of proof would be acceptable for you because that is the beauty of secret agencies that they keep everything secret or do not leave much of proof. But there is one very basic and fundamental principle to solve any crime. Who benefited out of that?
Finally, people who I have never seen (or read) condemning innocent children being killed in Palestine, Kashmir, Afghanistan and Pakistan by state terrorism questions my condemnation. These same people will not follow my words of condemnation that includes anyone innocent, killed anywhere by anyone. What a degree of hypocrisy and arrogance; Arrogance was the word how I described theists on this thread right in the beginning.
^^^^^^Arrogance was the word how I described ATHEISTS on this thread right in the beginning^^^^^.
Just realized that I missed "A" and what a difference an "A" makes to a word that an atheist becomes theist. Perhaps few people should think about this difference of an "A". May God show everyone the right path.
Just realized that I missed "A" and what a difference an "A" makes to a word that an atheist becomes theist. Perhaps few people should think about this difference of an "A". May God show everyone the right path.
Khandro, no point getting grumpy with me – but, unlike you, I wouldn’t trust the Islamic press as far as I could throw it to produce unbiased journalism. The headline is ‘Was Malala Yousafzai used for a larger US plan?’, which would indicate, that like Keyplus, the journalist has no evidence to support his conspiracy theories.
//Let us be clear: the West and its corporations are not in the business of doling out cash to third world countries or care much about the children there unless there is a hidden agenda behind the façade of their good work.//
Not entirely true.
//The other equally sinister plan is to promote Western culture, thoughts and values by using the label of education.//
See that word ‘sinister’? Good choice! And that’s the fear – that western influence – and the desire for education - is gaining support - and that’s exactly why this article was written – to engender suspicion and hatred towards the west.
Look at the front page of the magazine ‘ Staging a tragedy to tar the name of Islam …’
Clearly Islam is the victim here – but what’s new?
The name of Islam hasn’t been tarred by this atrocity – and the journalist has conveniently failed to acknowledge that the children killed in air strikes were not deliberately targeted, as Malala was - but the mindless Taliban has once again demonstrated its agenda – and that he has also conveniently failed to acknowledge. This is nothing but anti-western propaganda – and people are stupidly falling for the seeds of doubt that are being craftily, but not cleverly enough, sown.
Keyplus, you never ignore Birdie. You mention him frequently.
//Let us be clear: the West and its corporations are not in the business of doling out cash to third world countries or care much about the children there unless there is a hidden agenda behind the façade of their good work.//
Not entirely true.
//The other equally sinister plan is to promote Western culture, thoughts and values by using the label of education.//
See that word ‘sinister’? Good choice! And that’s the fear – that western influence – and the desire for education - is gaining support - and that’s exactly why this article was written – to engender suspicion and hatred towards the west.
Look at the front page of the magazine ‘ Staging a tragedy to tar the name of Islam …’
Clearly Islam is the victim here – but what’s new?
The name of Islam hasn’t been tarred by this atrocity – and the journalist has conveniently failed to acknowledge that the children killed in air strikes were not deliberately targeted, as Malala was - but the mindless Taliban has once again demonstrated its agenda – and that he has also conveniently failed to acknowledge. This is nothing but anti-western propaganda – and people are stupidly falling for the seeds of doubt that are being craftily, but not cleverly enough, sown.
Keyplus, you never ignore Birdie. You mention him frequently.
Keyplus - “... His (and many others people’s) knowledge about Pakistan and Afghanistan depends upon media, mine does not...”
You appear to be saying that because you've recently been to Pakistan, you have a greater insight than I do about covert CIA operations in this region. How does that work?
Are you in the intelligence services?
I'm pretty well travelled myself but I would never be so arrogant as to suggest that because I had been to a particular geographical location that would give me an insight as to the covert operations of a foreign nation operating within such borders.
You appear to be saying that because you've recently been to Pakistan, you have a greater insight than I do about covert CIA operations in this region. How does that work?
Are you in the intelligence services?
I'm pretty well travelled myself but I would never be so arrogant as to suggest that because I had been to a particular geographical location that would give me an insight as to the covert operations of a foreign nation operating within such borders.
////Keyplus, you never ignore Birdie. You mention him frequently.////
Same as I believe that you people have faith regardless of claiming otherwise. Because as I said on the other thread no faith itself is fait.
As for my proof about CIA or whatever, still no one has answered my questions there and it is third time I am repeating myself. You answer those questions and you would get your answers. That's another issue that you would never accept it.
Same as I believe that you people have faith regardless of claiming otherwise. Because as I said on the other thread no faith itself is fait.
As for my proof about CIA or whatever, still no one has answered my questions there and it is third time I am repeating myself. You answer those questions and you would get your answers. That's another issue that you would never accept it.
Keyplus, //As for my proof about CIA or whatever, still no one has answered my questions….//
What do you expect anyone to say? You have no proof. It’s all conjecture.
//Same as I believe that you people have faith regardless of claiming otherwise. Because as I said on the other thread no faith itself is fait.//
I’ve just looked at that, and Vulcan has asked you to explain it.
You said / No belief itself is a belief.//
and he said…
//So, is it I believe I don't believe or I don't believe I believe?//
So what’s your answer?
What do you expect anyone to say? You have no proof. It’s all conjecture.
//Same as I believe that you people have faith regardless of claiming otherwise. Because as I said on the other thread no faith itself is fait.//
I’ve just looked at that, and Vulcan has asked you to explain it.
You said / No belief itself is a belief.//
and he said…
//So, is it I believe I don't believe or I don't believe I believe?//
So what’s your answer?
Meyplus conjectures conspiracy in the matter of the attempted assassination of Malela. No evidence to support such a conjecture - just the desire to defend his faith and culture at all costs.
No criticism of Islam can be condoned or allowed.
Regardless of who actually carried out the attack, it was a vicious and calculated attempt to murder a young girl, who also happened to be a public symbol of defiance. Keyplus cannot bring himself to condemn such an attack outright- all of his comments attempt to mitigate the offence, to deflect the blame, and that is shameful.
Uncritical, unthinking devotion to a cause - a blindness to facts and evidence, a refusal to countenance anything that runs counter to faith is delusional, not admirable. And those who murder and maim in defence of that worldview are murderously deluded, and it is the rest of us, the sane and rational, that suffer.
No criticism of Islam can be condoned or allowed.
Regardless of who actually carried out the attack, it was a vicious and calculated attempt to murder a young girl, who also happened to be a public symbol of defiance. Keyplus cannot bring himself to condemn such an attack outright- all of his comments attempt to mitigate the offence, to deflect the blame, and that is shameful.
Uncritical, unthinking devotion to a cause - a blindness to facts and evidence, a refusal to countenance anything that runs counter to faith is delusional, not admirable. And those who murder and maim in defence of that worldview are murderously deluded, and it is the rest of us, the sane and rational, that suffer.
Master Po: [after easily defeating the boy in combat] Ha, ha, never assume because a man has no eyes he cannot see. Close your eyes. What do you hear?
Young Caine: I hear the water, I hear the birds.
Master Po: Do you hear your own heartbeat?
Young Caine: No.
Master Po: Do you hear the grasshopper that is at your feet?
Young Caine: [looking down and seeing the insect] Old man, how is it that you hear these things?
Master Po: Young man, how is it that you do not?
Young Caine: I hear the water, I hear the birds.
Master Po: Do you hear your own heartbeat?
Young Caine: No.
Master Po: Do you hear the grasshopper that is at your feet?
Young Caine: [looking down and seeing the insect] Old man, how is it that you hear these things?
Master Po: Young man, how is it that you do not?
Keyplus - “... I have no idea what sort of proof would be acceptable for you [Vulcan] because that is the beauty of secret agencies that they keep everything secret or do not leave much of proof. But there is one very basic and fundamental principle to solve any crime. Who benefited out of that?...”
It's quite simple Keyplus - the lunatic Taliban thought that they would be the beneficiaries of the murder.
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In their tiny, religiously warped little minds they thought it would achieve two things. First it would permanently silence Malala who had been a thorn in their side for some time by promoting the idea of freedom of education for woman and second, it would discourage any other females from challenging the Taliban's views on this matter.
What they didn't expect is for it to backfire on them so spectacularly – they really didn't think that it would rapidly turn into an international news story. Once it became clear that this atrocity had gained international recognition by the world's media, members of the Taliban then went on to threaten those journalists who were reporting on it. Journalists were threatened not to report on the story as the Taliban had come to realise that it had shown them in a rather unpleasant light.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19995741
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You ask who benefited? Hopefully, the enemies of repressive religious beliefs.
Who carried it out and hoped to benefit? The Taliban.
It's quite simple Keyplus - the lunatic Taliban thought that they would be the beneficiaries of the murder.
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In their tiny, religiously warped little minds they thought it would achieve two things. First it would permanently silence Malala who had been a thorn in their side for some time by promoting the idea of freedom of education for woman and second, it would discourage any other females from challenging the Taliban's views on this matter.
What they didn't expect is for it to backfire on them so spectacularly – they really didn't think that it would rapidly turn into an international news story. Once it became clear that this atrocity had gained international recognition by the world's media, members of the Taliban then went on to threaten those journalists who were reporting on it. Journalists were threatened not to report on the story as the Taliban had come to realise that it had shown them in a rather unpleasant light.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19995741
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You ask who benefited? Hopefully, the enemies of repressive religious beliefs.
Who carried it out and hoped to benefit? The Taliban.
Keyplus - “... I usually ignore whatever Birdie says as that is how much he deserves out of my time...”
I think we all know why you ignore me Keyplus.
Your 'CIA Taliban' theory is just another in a long list of utter nonsense that you periodically spew forth onto the pages of AB. The fact that you have not a single shred of proof or evidence to back up your claim does not seem to bother you in the slightest - you have no time for the truth. All that matters to you is deflecting any and all attempts by others to even suggest that some members of the Islamic faith are anything other than wonderful, peaceful and gentle human beings. You continue to assert this view despite voluminous and unequivocal evidence to the contrary.
You are a denier of reality and of truth and of evidence Keyplus. I know this and point it out as frequently as you post your pro-Islamic propaganda drivel. That is why you despise me and that is why you cannot bring yourself to debate with me.
I think we all know why you ignore me Keyplus.
Your 'CIA Taliban' theory is just another in a long list of utter nonsense that you periodically spew forth onto the pages of AB. The fact that you have not a single shred of proof or evidence to back up your claim does not seem to bother you in the slightest - you have no time for the truth. All that matters to you is deflecting any and all attempts by others to even suggest that some members of the Islamic faith are anything other than wonderful, peaceful and gentle human beings. You continue to assert this view despite voluminous and unequivocal evidence to the contrary.
You are a denier of reality and of truth and of evidence Keyplus. I know this and point it out as frequently as you post your pro-Islamic propaganda drivel. That is why you despise me and that is why you cannot bring yourself to debate with me.
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