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what do you think of when you hear the word Jihad?
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yeah, naomi got it right. Jihad is a struggle, any kind of struggle. It can be small things like being a nice person or helping others and it does mean to defend your religion/faith if attacked. Many people do take this wrong and many muslims also do not know the meaning. Hence why they say it supports terrorism but in my eyes they are not muslims.
I think it's partly because of the Press - calling something a Holy War and equating it with the Arabic term jihad leads people who have little knowledge of Islamic, let alone Arabic, to think that Jihad = terrorism against the West.
Arabic is such a fluid language and some works have many different meanings depending on context - the jihad in Qu'ran refers to the internal struggle of the individual, IMO, to be a good person.
Arabic is such a fluid language and some works have many different meanings depending on context - the jihad in Qu'ran refers to the internal struggle of the individual, IMO, to be a good person.
Sith, // in my eyes they are not muslims.//
But they are. They commit atrocities in the name of Allah, supported by Islamic literature. Personal denial doesn’t change it.
Boxy, // the jihad in Qu'ran refers to the internal struggle of the individual, IMO, to be a good person. //
Perhaps you should look again.
//Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do. (8:38-39)//
There’s plenty more where that came from.
But they are. They commit atrocities in the name of Allah, supported by Islamic literature. Personal denial doesn’t change it.
Boxy, // the jihad in Qu'ran refers to the internal struggle of the individual, IMO, to be a good person. //
Perhaps you should look again.
//Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do. (8:38-39)//
There’s plenty more where that came from.
Sith - “... but in my eyes they [Islamic terrorists] are not Muslims...”
Would it surprise you to learn that 'they' think the same thing about you? In their eyes, you are not a proper Muslim – you live in a western culture and you are (I assume) liberal in your views. Make no mistake, as far as 'they' are concerned, you are not a Muslim.
This why I think that Islam and all other such belief systems are utter nonsense. Two people who fundamentally believe (pun intended) in the same god, prophet, the same holy texts, the same rituals and the same cultural practises and yet both of you think that other isn't a true Muslim. The fact that you can both read the exact same holy scriptures and derive completely different moral codes from them, demonstrates without question just how flimsy and worthless the claim is that the Koran represents any sort of universal truth.
Would it surprise you to learn that 'they' think the same thing about you? In their eyes, you are not a proper Muslim – you live in a western culture and you are (I assume) liberal in your views. Make no mistake, as far as 'they' are concerned, you are not a Muslim.
This why I think that Islam and all other such belief systems are utter nonsense. Two people who fundamentally believe (pun intended) in the same god, prophet, the same holy texts, the same rituals and the same cultural practises and yet both of you think that other isn't a true Muslim. The fact that you can both read the exact same holy scriptures and derive completely different moral codes from them, demonstrates without question just how flimsy and worthless the claim is that the Koran represents any sort of universal truth.
yes, however when in the quran does it say to bomb building or kill people for no reasons?
i know naomi is going to attempt to find something however let me make something clear. That quote naomi put up.
//Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do. (8:38-39)//
i admit, it does say that if the unbelievers persist but you have to remember this was written during the spread of islam in a country where turmoil was already there and there was already conflict between tribes and people long before islam came about. so you cannot say that islam is telling you to kill because number 1 it does not actually state kill but says fight them on. it could be physical it may not be. it could be debates. it could be anything. Also things are misread. It does not say wipe them out. It says that if they cease verily allah doth see all that they do. This means if they cease you are not allowed to do anything to them. it is up to allah now.
i know naomi is going to attempt to find something however let me make something clear. That quote naomi put up.
//Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do. (8:38-39)//
i admit, it does say that if the unbelievers persist but you have to remember this was written during the spread of islam in a country where turmoil was already there and there was already conflict between tribes and people long before islam came about. so you cannot say that islam is telling you to kill because number 1 it does not actually state kill but says fight them on. it could be physical it may not be. it could be debates. it could be anything. Also things are misread. It does not say wipe them out. It says that if they cease verily allah doth see all that they do. This means if they cease you are not allowed to do anything to them. it is up to allah now.
Sith, //when in the quran does it say to bomb building or kill people for no reasons?//
The Koran doesn’t tell Muslims to kill for no reason. It gives them reasons, as the verse I posted demonstrates – and as many more verses demonstrate.
//you have to remember this was written during the spread of islam in a country where turmoil was already there and there was already conflict between tribes and people long before islam came about.//
Oh dear, Sith. You’re treading on very unsound ground now. Firstly this book was allegedly dictated word for word by Allah. It is reputedly his final revelation to the world, and therefore it would have been rather short-sighted of him to include that which only applied to the people of the time, as you seem to be claiming.
Secondly, you’re not supposed to think there was a time before Islam existed. Big ‘no no’ Sith. You need to learn about your religion.
By the way, to avoid confusing you, let me say the bits of the above that are surrounded by these marks …//... are things that you said. I’m just quoting specific sections of your previous post so that I can address them.
The Koran doesn’t tell Muslims to kill for no reason. It gives them reasons, as the verse I posted demonstrates – and as many more verses demonstrate.
//you have to remember this was written during the spread of islam in a country where turmoil was already there and there was already conflict between tribes and people long before islam came about.//
Oh dear, Sith. You’re treading on very unsound ground now. Firstly this book was allegedly dictated word for word by Allah. It is reputedly his final revelation to the world, and therefore it would have been rather short-sighted of him to include that which only applied to the people of the time, as you seem to be claiming.
Secondly, you’re not supposed to think there was a time before Islam existed. Big ‘no no’ Sith. You need to learn about your religion.
By the way, to avoid confusing you, let me say the bits of the above that are surrounded by these marks …//... are things that you said. I’m just quoting specific sections of your previous post so that I can address them.
what do you mean by that naomi.
//Secondly, you’re not supposed to think there was a time before Islam existed. Big ‘no no’ Sith. You need to learn about your religion. //
Yes, jesus spread islam, moses spread islam, adam spread islam. However jesus was long before muhammed so islam had died out by than and was not practiced as much so technically there was a time before islam officially existed which was after than.
//Secondly, you’re not supposed to think there was a time before Islam existed. Big ‘no no’ Sith. You need to learn about your religion. //
Yes, jesus spread islam, moses spread islam, adam spread islam. However jesus was long before muhammed so islam had died out by than and was not practiced as much so technically there was a time before islam officially existed which was after than.
When I hear the word jihad my first thought is the call to attack the west... then my second thought tends more towards the attempts to press the case of Islam in every area of life... Not what the believers understand it to be.. but how it is portrayed and one of the reasons there is fear and distrust towards followers of this particular path. Sad really
Sith, I’ll ignore your reference to Adam – that doesn’t warrant a considered response - but Moses (if he existed at all – which is doubtful) did not spread Islam, and neither did Jesus. In fact Jesus didn’t even spread Christianity. They were Jews and nothing else. Islam did not exist before Mohammed invented it. You really are beyond comprehension.
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