Holy books, worth reading?

[jomifl]

Could reading a holy book make you believe in a god if rational thought has ruled out the possibility.

[Davethedog]

Did or did not the church have anything to do with abolishment? No they were active participants in slavery

[Cowtipper]

The Absolution movement was based on Jesus' teaching that stated all were equal in the eye of God. Here black men's rights were put ahead of women. It takes time to change people. Slavery existed long before any modern religion. The strong have always ruled the weak and the many are ruled by a few. There were no rules about how to treat a slave before the Old Testament so it was an improvement at the time. One man's influence may take years to come to fruition. In the case of Jesus it took 1800 years or so before man caught up to what he was saying. If my post came across as arrogant I do appologise.

[Davethedog]

Accepted

[vetuste_ennemi]

Cowtipper, is your last post (with its "attitude of the time" comment) your way of saying "It's a fair cop, guv", or are you trying to make a more subtle point which I've missed?.

[Cowtipper]

I don't know what a fair cop means.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Sharon Gless.

[Davethedog]

Heather Locklear - Falls over

[Cowtipper]

Rather than be confused about the responses I'll return to the op's question. I don't think any amount of external influence can make someone change without the will to change.

[jomifl]

Cowtipper ...'a fair cop'
http://idioms.thefree...y.com/It's+a+fair+cop

[Cowtipper]

I don't think its a fair cop as much as cutting off one leg is better than cutting off two when the end product means people eventually stop cutting off legs entirely. Its tough to put to words and there may be other things that complicate this discussion like cultural differences.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Ah, I see the (new) point, Cowtipper. Your original point was that the Church was responsible for the abolition of slavery. You now seem to concede neither the Bible's teaching nor any of its followers for over 1600 years after Christ were abolitionist? (We are agreed so far, aren't we?). But (this is my inference from your last post; I hope I'm not putting words in yoour mouth) Christian teaching humanized, or at least mitigated the worst excesses of the institution (better only one leg than both) until such a time as it could be abolished completely. Am I understanding you correctly?
y books do

[beso]

Cowtipper starts with the assumption that religion is the source of all thngs good. Every perspective is warped by that ridiculous prejudice.

Religion had stood in the way of the advancement of civilisation by insisting that a stupid book written by arrogant men is the last word on morality. Only when their bigotry threatens to completely undermine the last shreds of their credibility do they ever change their position.

Indeed religion did not invent slavery but they certainly indulged in and sustained it.

I notice you have not continued to defend the church's undeniably profoundly chauvanistic attitude to women. Anyone who would claim that the church has even the slightest contribution to the advancement of women's rights is obviously deeply deluded.

Indeed that claim is one of the most idiotic I have seen posted here. Considering the presence of the Elderman and his multiple alter-egos that is quite remarkable.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Indeed, Beso.

Dave, thanks for yesterday's posts about the Heathers. Ms. Locklear, apart from the other advantage, is definitely the better looking (IMO). Strange how this thread found its metaphorical way into Cowtipper's thought processes. Oh, I'm red too.

[Davethedog]

Beso - remember some people have no moral compass. Without "the book" they would be out killing the first born, being a plague on my house or yours and stoning wom... oh hang on.

vetuste_ennemi Heather, oooh just the mention, though apparently these days she can't pass a bar :-(

[vetuste_ennemi]

Oh dear, Dave, what morbid images you're putting in mind: lovely Locklear - legless!
It's got to be an early start on the cava.
Adios

[sith123]

i read the bible, torah and the quran as well as learning from other teachings.

[naomi24]

^^ But you don't read them much, eh?

[goodlife]

Why is it that when a person follows God’s counsel, everything he does will succeed? The psalmist was not speaking about success in this world. The success of a godly person is linked to his doing God’s will—and God’s will is always successful.(Psalm 1:4-6)

[naomi24]

"Holy books, worth reading?" ^^Claptrap copied verbatim from a JW website and definitely not worth reading.

[goodlife]

So your a loser then.