Anne-Marie Waters - Pegida Uk

[agchristie]

She is on record as making this statement:

"We live in a country which ordinary people are frightened to speak their minds, frightened that they might say the "wrong thing". This is a dangerous situation for any society. A frightened population which cannot say what it thinks is a population under tyrannical control.

Furthermore, this widespread fear has resulted in a fearful and politicised police force that is more concerned by what is "correct" than with prosecuting crimes"

Is she correct? Is the UK public less inclined to speak out and now more apathetic with our politicians leaving a hopeless vacuum and therefore as a nation we are more vulnerable?

[Khandro]

She is spot on! and anyone who hasn't noticed, is living in a different world than the one I'm in. In which I see Nobel laureates forced to resign for saying a few light-hearted remarks about women's tears in his lab.

[ToraToraTora]

what about that astronomer bloke hounded to tears for wearing a slightly risque shirt.

[jackthehat]

Why should reporting actual events be racist?

You only have to look at AOG's thread about the 'silent peaceful march' to see how a thread can continue providing it doesn't descend into the sort of debacle so often seen.

[agchristie]

Anne-Marie is also spokesperson and founder of Sharia Watch UK.

[Gromit]

// ...but can they express them in the language they want without fear of difficulty and criticism where none should be warranted? //

Everything everyone says is open to criticism. And rightly so. Debate should be civilised and in civilised language. We have laws designed to prevent incitement and against hate.

It is a bit rich criticising the police, when vast amounts are wasted protecting their fascist parades. If they went to a community and used ' the language they want' and that incited the local population, should we just let them get on with it?

[agchristie]

> She is spot on! and anyone who hasn't noticed, is living in a different world than the one I'm in.

Khandro, with the depth of feeling in Germany do you think folk are finding their voices moreso and that the changes they seek are attainable?

[mikey4444]

TTT ( 10:52).....no, of course not. But then making the quantum leap to suggest that all Muslim are somehow rapists is stupid, but its a view that is steadily growing in popularity. ( not by you ! )

Talbot...those words that I refer to are not seen here on AB, and thank goodness they aren't, as I am sure you will agree. But they have made a comeback amongst some people that I meet.

And that was my point....use of those words would have been unthinkable a few years ago, but when you trawl through YouTube and see them being used with gay abandon, is it any wonder that people now feel that they can use them ?

[naomi24]

Of course she’s right. If she wasn’t using the words Mikey talks about wouldn’t expose the speaker to prosecution.

[agchristie]

> You only have to look at AOG's thread about the 'silent peaceful march' to see how a thread can continue providing it doesn't descend into the sort of debacle so often seen.

It's been fraught at times but still going strong!

This one seems to split opinion too.

[mikey4444]

agchristie....all topics on AB split opinion !

But most of us seem to debate with a modicum of civility and the few that don't stand out like sore thumbs. Long may lively debate continue !

[agchristie]

> all topics on AB split opinion !

Oh I don't know Mikey, we can sometimes all agree on issues...can't we? ;)

[-Talbot-]

Talbot...those words that I refer to are not seen here on AB, and thank goodness they aren't, as I am sure you will agree. But they have made a comeback amongst some people that I meet.


They are not making a comeback here, the only one of the three I can say have heard used in general conversation in the past 30 (or more) years is the P word ... Because people argue it is just short for Pakistani.
You need to start meeting better people.

[Khandro]

agchristie; The AfD party is considered by some to be "extreme right" but that is only by German standards, it is in fact milder than UKIP (despite Frauke Petry's recent comments about using force to control borders crossing) and nothing like as radical as Pegida, however its surge reflects a public concern for the status quo.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/germanys-right-wing-afd-party-surges-to-new-high-as-concern-of-refugee-rises-a6810726.html

[agchristie]

Khandro, thanks for that. Will look at link later. Some lively debating going on in a few threads!

[mikey4444]

agchristie....I hope so ! (11:25)

[retrocop]

Mikey
Poor example;

//And that was my point....use of those words would have been unthinkable a few years ago, but when you trawl through YouTube and see them being used with gay abandon, is it any wonder that people now feel that they can use them ?//

If I chose to search rap by black singers on youtube I would find the N word used more often by those we are told we offend by its use.

// is it any wonder that people think they can use them?//

Yes indeed it is.

[Togo]

They can make you say anything - ANYTHING - but they can't make you believe it.

George Orwell, 1984

[mikey4444]

Retro...I really don't listen to Pop music anymore these days and have never willingly been subjected to rap ! I can never understand what they are saying anyway. But its my understanding that the N word is used by some of these rap people ironically, unless I have misunderstood that, which is entirely possible, even probable.

But its not a very nice word in my opinion, no matter what context its used in.

[Haggisdj]

I was watching Live At The Apollo a few weeks ago and one of the comedians asked, "Who likes Gay marriage?" There were some half-hearted cheers from about half the audience. The comedian then asked, "Who does not like Gay marriage?" Silence! Absolute silence! I cannot believe that there was no-one in that audience who did not like Gay marriage. My belief is that they were too afraid to speak up because self-righteous brigade who prey on anyone who does not have the same beliefs as they do...

[andy-hughes]

mikey - //But its my understanding that the N word is used by some of these rap people ironically, unless I have misunderstood that, which is entirely possible, even probable. //

The word has indeed been 'reclaimed' by the rap community - the idea being that if they use it to each other as a matey expression, it removes the sting and stigma it has when white people say it.

Thus - if a black man refers to another black man as '***' (not sure if the censor software will take that out) - it's fine, but if a white man does it, he can expect a punch in the mouth.