What planet are judges on ?

[neil42]

One wonders what would have happened if it was the judges child that died.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...d-lancashire-12007100

I dont know how they can sleep at night.

[Daily-Editor]

So often we hear that the maximum sentences for various crimes have been increased.

Surely itis the minimum sentences which need revising. I stand next to Neil in this instance, Brussels and its human rights just do not seem fair.

[TTG]

Jake - "Now he's trying to use this man's immigration status to exact revenge because he couldn't in court. You can have sympathy for his feelings but the road accident is entirely irrelevant to his immigration status"

If he had been removed in the first place, no accident would have taken place. If it had been your child jake, no way would you be commenting like you are.

[jake-the-peg]

Yes well TTG - the mob mentality is very keen on saying "if it were youre...."

That's why we have judges to apply the law and not victims

It's the difference between an impartial legal system and mob rule.

If you find that too difficult to live with there are a number of South American dictatorships you may find more congenial.

Just don't open the door at 2am

[jake-the-peg]

It's not his human rights that are particuarly at issue fender but those of his children who have been born and grown up here.

[deggers316]

his children would not be deported with him jake only him and by his criminal record there far better off without him as a role model !!

[R1Geezer]

TTG, don't expect jake to side with the victim here, this is bread and butter "Fluffy bunny immigrants only want to help save the country" - territory, lefty paradise! Lefties have no empathy they only react with fury when something they hold dear is criticised.

[jake-the-peg]

yes deggers, basically the familly would be split up they would be deprived of a familly life.

This is not an absolute human right - a criminal for example can't plead it to stop him going into prison.

That's why I'm loathe to pass too much judgement on this as I don't know enough of the facts.

There are rules about deportation of criminals if the sentence is oover a certain length - a year I think it is.

If his burglary or drugs convictions were to enforce his deportation and this is being overruled by this judgement I'd consider that to be wrong.

But I don't think that this is so

I think this is a simple asylum case

[jake-the-peg]

Geezer I am siding with the law.

That means applying the rules of law as they are laid out to all people from whatever country they come.

You may think the Old Bailey should "make it up as they go" with due influence from the letters pages of the Mail and the Express but don't expect me to go along with your little totalitarian fantasy land

[flip_flop]

Of course the rule of law must be followed and followed without prejudice and one must, as far as one can, look at this objectively..................................
.........still,
having said that, you've got to feel for the father here surely?

From a subjective point of view, if my daughter were mown down and callously left dying by an uninsured unlicensed previously convicted person who shouldn't even have been in the country to commit these crimes in the first place, I would also be whipping up a media frenzy.

Knowing this oxygen thief has got away with it (because, let's face it, he pretty much has got away with it) would eat away at me like a cancer.

[DEN53]

On the news last night it said, he has since continued to drive, despite being banned and also has previous criminal convictions prior to the incident involving that little girl.

[ludwig]

// It's not the judges you need to question, neil, but the legislators //

yes, new judge - do we actually need judges? All they're doing is objectively applying the sentencing rules and guidelines to a given conviction and set of circumstances.
Can't we just feed those parameters into a bit of software and save ourselves a load of money?
That's my recomendation for the austerity measures - we're all in it together.

[anotheoldgit]

I along with many others in this country, are appalled at the ridiculous light sentence this creature has been given, plus the fact that he and his family are still allowed to stay in this country.

And as usual there are still a few hand-wringers prepared to 'bat' on his side, which is what makes this country such a 'soft touch' for all and sundry. But as already said I wonder if they would still have such support for him had it been one of theirs that had been left to die in agony under his wheels?

Technically there is little that can be done under the present laws, we all know that, but wouldn't it be nice to see a mass peaceful demonstration outside London's Law Courts followed by a signed petition being handed into Downing Street?

[thedaveformula]

The criminal justice system in this country is an absolute joke. The rights of the criminal are being put before the rights of the victim and their family. The sad thing is that none of the political parties have the guts to do anything about it. I don't know what the answer is to the problem but I share your concern.

[neil42]

Its amazing,if i steal some money,or fail to pay or declare my taxes i would be sentenced to a longer stay at her majesties pleasure than for abandoning a child i have run over.the mind boggles

[Zeuhl]

Cameron has just been on the radio expressing annoyance that this scum bag can't be sent back to Iraq when we have invested so much money and servicemen's lives 'stabilizing' his country and making it safe for him.

That will be the Iraq that was already 'stabilized'; safe, prosperous and at peace for the vast majority of people until Bush and Blair turned it into a warzone, destroyed its infrastructure and rule of law and opened it up to religous extremists and terrorists.

The politicians must think we are all incredible stupid and gullible to swallow that sort of tripe.
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[jackthehat]

AOG - Once again, you make a sweeping statement...........

Just because people aren't wanting his head on a stick, it doesn't automatically mean that they would clap him on the back or give him a round of applause.

<<Technically there is little that can be done under the present laws, we all know that>> you wrote it, but you really don't understand it, do you ?

I think we all agree that the law seems to be out of step with 'Justice', but howling at our politicians (who have ceded swathes of the right to legislate, elsewhere) will have no effect whilst other over-riding statutes are enforceable in the UK.

[modeller]

EDDIES # Define 'Immigrants' modeller ! # Why split hairs ? Everone knows full well what we all mean by the term immigrant except you maybe.
By your definition everyone in the world is an immigrant and as such it is a silly argument .