British woman 'raped' in Dubai tells of arrest ordeal.

[birdie1971]

Great isn't it? You're raped in Dubai and you are thrown in jail!

It may be a technologically sophisticated country but it is still a country with a criminal justice system firmly rooted in middle-aged, moronic, misogynistic thinking.

Absolutely disgusting.


http://www.telegraph....of-arrest-ordeal.html

[Sandy-Wroe]

Since when was a country like Dubai considered sophisticated?

[Oneeyedvic]

2) “He has also assumed that an allegation must be true” - So when you read things in the press do you automatically take the view that you are being lied to? ///

I don't always believe that I am being lied to, but I do take most things printed with a pinch of salt - especially where Muslims (or in this case an Islamic country) are mentioned. Papers like to let people read what they want - and obviously they have succeeded with you.


///This wasn't reported in one newspaper – it was widely reported. The women says she was raped – but you seem to know better as you appear to doubt her story. Why do you think she's not being honest? ///

Do I believe she was being honest? I really don't know. But I must confess I am never confident when her own account is: ///To celebrate they drank two bottles of champagne, but she later passed out on a sofa in the ladies’ lavatory.

The following day, she examined herself and suspected she had been raped. She could only remember being followed into the lavatory by a waiter. ///

[Oneeyedvic]

3 ///3.“He then goes on to state that there justice system is firmly rooted in middle aged, moronic, misogynistic thinking” - I was probably wrong to accuse the legal system of being rooted in the middle ages///
Finally, is that the glimmering of an apology?

///but I stand by the accusation that it is misogynistic – if you want examples, I'll give them to you, but I'm sure you can find them on your own if you want to. ///
I would agree that the country is misogynistic - but then so are the majority of countries I have lived in / visited (including this one).

[birdie1971]

Jno – You have never answered or even attempted to answer any question I have asked about Anthropogenic Global Warming. When I pose a question about it you simply state that (and I'm paraphrasing), 'The majority of scientists agree, therefore you're wrong'.

Jno, I believe that you know practically nothing whatsoever about Islam or AGW.

Prove me wrong.

[birdie1971]

Oneeyedvic - “I would agree that the country is misogynistic”


Thank you.

That was the whole point of my post in the first place.

I'd like to see some other people on this website be as honest as you about this matter. Dubai is a misogynistic Islamic state and as such it treats women appallingly.

I wonder if those that are so quick to defend Islam such as Jno and Keyplus would be so willing to do so if they hadn't been born with a penis?

[birdie1971]

Jno – Don't be so pathetic by posting a massive “?????????????????”. As if you don't understand where the accusation has come from.

You believe that mankind is responsible for so-called Global Warming do you not?

How many times have you sneered at my posts and suggested that I do not understand science? You've even done it here even thought this thread has nothing whatsoever to do with AGW. How many times have you done this and justified your opinion by claiming that (and I'm paraphrasing) “the majority of scientists believe it - so you're wrong!”?

How many times have you answered any of my questions about AGW?

Answer: 0


If you're so confident you're correct about AGW, why not pose a question about it?

[jno]

birdie, have you considered, just for the sake of debate, sticking to facts? Would you care to post a link to ANY of these occasions where I've sneered at you, or said you don't understand science?

Just a single one?

I think you'll find, no matter how hard you look, that I have never done so. (My sole reference to the subject - on this thread - was, as I have already said, tongue in cheek. I don't really believe you are a climate change scientist.)

To put it charitably, you've got me confused with someone else. To put it uncharitably, you've just made it up. Perhaps you could either back up your statement with evidence, or apologise?

[Oneeyedvic]

I see you have neglected to answer any of the previous points - just answering the one which you happen to agree with.

I think that jno is female (though I may be wrong).

If all you are trying to point out the misogyny of Dubai, why do the majority of your 'questions' refer only to Islamic states and never to say China - where baby girls are still often murdered and a boy is sought in their one child policy. Or maybe India where brides are often sold for dowries. Or how about the Democratic Republic of Congo, where the UN described the levels of rape unprecedented and rape and violence against women is the worst in the world..

But funnily enough, I can't recall you starting any thing on the above topics - just the ones involving Muslims / Islam.

Shurely it must be a coincidence!

[Dee Sa]

let me throw another spanner in the works, if the lady in question was still drunk or smelt of alcohol when she went to the police station, then she would have definately been put in the cells, its a muslim country and although almost everyone does it, alcohol is against the law.
Also I have heard whilst residing there of cases of men being raped but it never gets reported because they are too ashamed to do so.
Dubai dont forget still has torture chambers and uses them to get confessions, rule number one whilst in Dubai as an expat never go to a police station unless absolutely necessaryand try and take a local arab with good command of english with you.

[birdie1971]

Oneeyedvic – The majority of my questions do not involve Islam. The majority of my answers may well do.

However, according to my stats I've asked only 55 questions and posted answers to 985. Very few of my questions have been religious in nature.

If more questions were posted about the subjects you mention – The murder of Chinese girls; the rape and murder of children – specifically females – in the Congo; I will answer those questions in the same robust manner that I answer other questions.

Please pose these questions – argue your point – post links to the evidence and see if your view of me is correct.

You seem to think I'm only indignant about the Islamic faith. This is not so. I'm indignant about all religion. I'm indignant about human rights violations throughout the whole world. It's just that Islamic states seems to have a monopoly on this type of thing at the moment.


You are extrapolating a fictitious view about me from a restricted frame of reference.


And don't call me Shirley.

[Ankou]

" I'm indignant about human rights violations throughout the whole world. It's just that Islamic states seems to have a monopoly on this type of thing at the moment."

that just proves vics points and outlines your blinkered/muslim targetted approach to the world, if that is all you believe.

here, open your eyes....

http://www.amnesty.or...ent.asp?CategoryID=21

[birdie1971]

Ankou – It 'proves' nothing of the sort. You state that I have a, “... blinkered/muslim targetted approach...”. You are aware that the two individuals involved in this story are British Muslims aren't you? The argument that I'm anti-Muslim doesn't wash I'm afraid.


As I said to Vic, if you want my opinions on matters such as the ones mentioned above, pose a question about them and I'll let you know where I stand.

The fact is that there are so many human rights violations throughout the world that it's a full time job keeping up with all of them. In fact, it's probably impossible for one person.

I posted this question because the story was widely circulated in the British press. Sorry for trying to be topical in the 'News' section of AB.

If I'd have posted a question about the TFG forces, the armed opposition groups of AL-Shabaab and the allies of Hizb Islam forces in Mogadishu, do you think anyone would have bothered to answer?

[birdie1971]

Jno – You ask me, “Would you care to post a link to ANY of these occasions where I've sneered at you, or said you don't understand science?”

How about just a few answers above on this thread where you inexplicably bring Global Warming into a debate about human rights by claiming that, “... [birdie's] apparent ability to believe something happened when he can offer no evidence for it. And in his willingness to use selective evidence, ignore the facts, and refuse to answer questions about them, I assume he is... tadaaa... a climate change scientist.”

I think that your above post shows that you consider my opinion on this [Global Warming] matter (and apparently everything else) to be spurious.

[birdie1971]

Jno -

Are you aware that Robert Watson, chief scientist at Defra has said on 7th February 2010, that the IPCC needs to “tackle its blunders or lose all credibility.”?

Effectively, our own Government is now admitting that at least some of the IPCC's report is misleading or incorrect. The IPCC has recently had to admit that it made a huge mistake by incorrectly claiming that the Himalayan glaciers might all melt by 2035.

http://www.timesonlin...nt/article7017907.ece


I've read the IPCC's 2007 report. It is replete with brilliant science carried out by equally brilliant scientists. Unfortunately it's conclusions and summaries are written by reviewers and bureaucrats. Anyone who has read this document from cover to cover will tell you that the summaries often do not match the conclusions drawn by the very scientists carrying out the research. In the bureaucratically worded summaries, the dangers are exaggerated without any evidence to support them and carefully constructed, scientific cautiousness is transformed into cast-iron truth.