British woman 'raped' in Dubai tells of arrest ordeal.

[birdie1971]

Great isn't it? You're raped in Dubai and you are thrown in jail!

It may be a technologically sophisticated country but it is still a country with a criminal justice system firmly rooted in middle-aged, moronic, misogynistic thinking.

Absolutely disgusting.


http://www.telegraph....of-arrest-ordeal.html

[birdie1971]

Combustible - This was a muslim woman with her muslim fiancée in a country which has very oppressive laws on sexual relations based upon Islamic scripture. What possible motive could she have had for falsely claiming that she had been raped?

[birdie1971]

What we should do to stop these silly muslim girls making allegations of rape is we should make a law that says, oh... I don't know.... say, err, that a woman must produce... let's say five men as witnesses. Yeah that sounds okay – five men must testify in the woman's favour before a successful rape conviction can be made.

That'll stop these silly little muslim bints bleating on about rape.

[trt]

Alcohol is permitted in Dubai as long as its consumed in hotels and the person/persons don't cause any problems if they leave.

I dont get this story, where was her boyfriend when she fell asleep in the ladies, did he not go looking for her or was he in their hotel room?

[jno]

birdie, you're carefully missing the point. She was suspected of sex with her boyfriend, not with a rapist. It's illegal.

[birdie1971]

Jno – No. She was initially jailed for having 'sex' with the unknown individual. That was the reason for her initial arrest. It was only after she had been arrested, questioned and jailed that the police added on the further 'offence' of having sex with her fiancée. If you had bothered to read the article you would have known this.

A woman who has been raped was thrown in jail because she was raped.

And you accuse me of missing the point?


What's the matter with you? Why are you trying to defend the indefensible?

[jno]

birdie, I'm baffled. I have indeed read the report - have you? Here's what it says:

However, she claims officers jeered her before they were both arrested on suspicion of illegal drinking and having sex outside of marriage, and held in jail for two days.

and:

"I'd just told them I had been raped but they were asking me how many times I had sex in the hotel room with my boyfriend and what positions I preferred.

If you've found another report saying she was jailed for sex with the unknown individual, fine - but there's not one word in the story you linked to that says this.

[Dee Sa]

I lived in Dubai for 14 yrs and their rules and regulations seem to change with the wind and its often a question of "who you know" as to whether you get into trouble for breaking the law. They will turn a blind eye to a couple living together but if something happens to that couple then they will throw the book at them eg my friend [legally married and living with husband] was followed home from a late shift at Dubai airport the intruder burst into their bedroom, they caught him and held him until the police arrived what was the first question they were asked ---- show me your marriage cert --
they do think the way that the West does.

[Dee Sa]

sorry I meant to put THEY DO NOT THINK THE WAY THE WEST DOES !
Dee

[Gromit]

It is interesting to see how the story is reported in the Arabian Press

http://www.arabianbus...issed#continueArticle

A law outlawing premarital sex may sound old fashioned, but if you go to a country, you should obey their laws, and not call foul when you break them.

If you drank yourself into a alcohol induced coma in Britain, then made an allegation of rape which you could not remember, would the case proceed to court?

[brionon]

123everton Are you trying to tell me that Women in England wre imprisoned for being raped 20 or 30 years ago ? 'Par for the Course' ?

[123everton]

No Brionon, 20 or 30 years ago a woman alleging rape wouldbe jeered at, interogated and made to sit on a hard wooden chair.
In 1918 women got the vote it wasn't until 1928 they got vote at the same age as men, are women equal now?
It's a weird form of amnesia, you talk about these things as if they were in Victorian times and beyond, it's not.
Secularism has got little to do with the change in attitude towards rape by police and public, a documentry in 1979 DID.
To expect any country to move from subjagation to emancipation is churlish, it is not that the nation is backward (such language doesn't help to engage the opponent) it's just a new nation.
It's a new nation that is trying to formulate it's own social more's whilst seeking to emulate but at the same time reject the customs of it's former oppressor.
Gromit's quite right when he says respect the law of your host, if you dislike their legislature don't go there.
What some are failing to comprehend is that Britain was dragged kicking and screaming to universal suffrage, and it's only recently started to come about.
we've had 1000 years to sort it without successful invasion (if you discount William Of Orange) they've had 39 years.
So my mistake mistake Dubai's independence was founded in 1971, look at the neighbours, Saudi, Omman and Iran, they're streets ahead of those when it comes to civil liberties.

[naomi24]

//look at the neighbours, Saudi, Omman and Iran, they're streets ahead of those when it comes to civil liberties. //

Ask yourself why, Everton, and if you can't answer that off the top of your head, take a look at what they have been relying upon to build their economy. Of course they are ahead of their neighbours in some respects. They have to be, but that doesn't mean their fundamental mindset has genuinely dug itself out of the dark ages. You only have to read what Dee Sa, who lived there for 14 years, has to say on the subject to see that.

[keyplus90]

Oh please someone try to understand the point my little birdie is trying to make. First hint is Dubai then he has given you so many other clues as well. It has nothing to do with rape it is something else. Please try to see what is invisible. Or just see my little birdie's any other posts and it will help you in understanding what he is trying to prove.

[jno]

fear not, keyplus, it is very obvious. But I am still waiting to hear whether this incident actually happened. The Telegraph article does not seem to bear out birdie's claims for it.

Naomi, doesn't Dubai's wealth come from the same place as that of the other countries you mention?

[IRN-BRU]

Invisible, I can't see it.

[naomi24]

No it doesn't jno. Check it out.

[birdie1971]

Keyplus – You're wrong about it not being something to do with rape. It has everything to do with rape and the treatment of women in general. It is also a textbook example of my position on this issue. I'll let you figure that out.

Everton - “... Dubai's independence was founded in 1971...”. You're trying to make that case that a country can be forgiven for having unjust laws because it is a 'young' country. You seem to be confusing the metaphorical with the real.

The country's borders and internationally recognised status is 'young' but the people who live in this 'young' country have not suddenly popped into existence having no knowledge of international law or any comprehension of countries and customs beyond their own borders.

What you are suggesting is that because the country is 'young', the people who make the laws of this country can and should be forgiven for passing legislation that promotes inequality because they themselves don't know any better and are simply in an adolescent state and going through growing pains.

That is apologetic drivel.

This country's laws are misogynistic and unfair for one reason and one reason only.

[naomi24]

Everton and jno, I'd like to see an answer to Birdie's question. //Why are you trying to defend the indefensible?//