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UK, BRITAIN, doesn't England exist?
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http://www.express.co...e-all-want-to-end-up-
It would appear that the immigrants know exactly where they want to go but our media and politicians seem to think ENGLAND doesn't exist and it is BRITAIN where they want to go.
The Daily Express said:
/// The row flared as a new base camp was opened yesterday in Calais to help migrants illegally enter BRITAIN. ///
Shadow Immigration Minister Damian Green said:
/// “Any attempt to rebuild a camp at Calais would be a disaster for BRITAIN. ///
Philip Davies, MP for Shipley, West Yorks, said:
/// “One of the main reasons they come is because they know once inside BRITAIN their chances of being kicked out are nil.” ///
The only one to get it right was Afghani ex-student Said, 21, who said:
/// Our only ambition is to get to ENGLAND where we will claim asylum.” ///
It would appear that the immigrants know exactly where they want to go but our media and politicians seem to think ENGLAND doesn't exist and it is BRITAIN where they want to go.
The Daily Express said:
/// The row flared as a new base camp was opened yesterday in Calais to help migrants illegally enter BRITAIN. ///
Shadow Immigration Minister Damian Green said:
/// “Any attempt to rebuild a camp at Calais would be a disaster for BRITAIN. ///
Philip Davies, MP for Shipley, West Yorks, said:
/// “One of the main reasons they come is because they know once inside BRITAIN their chances of being kicked out are nil.” ///
The only one to get it right was Afghani ex-student Said, 21, who said:
/// Our only ambition is to get to ENGLAND where we will claim asylum.” ///
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Not in the least pedantic, I along with many millions of others know what our overall name is called, and don't need you to remind us.
I am a resident of that country called England, it is not a state of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. but a country in it's own right, just as Scotland is, Wales is and Northern Ireland is, all countries who are part of the United Kingdom.
The point of this post is the fact that these immigrants want to get to England, not The United Kingdom, Britain, , Scotland, Wales, or Northern Ireland for that matter.
But England, and we are full up.
I am a resident of that country called England, it is not a state of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. but a country in it's own right, just as Scotland is, Wales is and Northern Ireland is, all countries who are part of the United Kingdom.
The point of this post is the fact that these immigrants want to get to England, not The United Kingdom, Britain, , Scotland, Wales, or Northern Ireland for that matter.
But England, and we are full up.
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I'm not sure why, but it seems generally that foreigners describe 'Britain' as 'England'. I've found that if you talk to Americans, for instance, they generally say 'England' rather than 'Britain' (though will sometimes refer to Scotland or Wales when they're talking specifically about them). You find it in speeches from historical leaders/politicians from other countries, too. It's not because immigrants have homing mechanisms targeted on England.
It's a bit like calling the Netherlands 'Holland' (and I've found will annoy people from other parts of it if you use it around them).
As an aside, there's an interesting passage in one of AJP Taylor's histories of England where he basically describes the old-fashioned use of the word meaning probably something vaguely similar to what we'd think of as 'Britain' now (he also said he found the use of 'Britain' a bit odd). Maybe I should dig it up.
Is this where you're coming from? Is it some kind of generational thing? I can't really see what there is to be angry about...
It's a bit like calling the Netherlands 'Holland' (and I've found will annoy people from other parts of it if you use it around them).
As an aside, there's an interesting passage in one of AJP Taylor's histories of England where he basically describes the old-fashioned use of the word meaning probably something vaguely similar to what we'd think of as 'Britain' now (he also said he found the use of 'Britain' a bit odd). Maybe I should dig it up.
Is this where you're coming from? Is it some kind of generational thing? I can't really see what there is to be angry about...
The (majority of) French always refer to GB as England, they consider Scotland and Wales as being regions like Normandy and Brittany are. I know many French go to England for their holidays where they visit Edinburgh and Loch Ness.
I consider myself a Brit because I have a British passport, not an English one. That's my nationality.
I consider myself a Brit because I have a British passport, not an English one. That's my nationality.
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Kromovaracun
Good post, yes in some way I suppose that it is some kind of generational thing, ask most of the younger generation and they will most likely say they couldn't care less, in fact they never think about it.
First may I say I have no wish for there to be no Scotland, no Wales, and no Northern Ireland, just the whole lot under the name of England, this is not what I am saying.
But what I am saying is the fact that slowly over the last few years, our politicians and Europe are trying to get the country of England to disappear.
Notice some media commentators, even when addressing a particular English issue, the word English seems to stick in their throats, and they quickly say British.
Don't just take my word for it, if you Google the subject you will find some very interesting reading.
http://www.tomorrowsw...ne55&item=1214895702.
http://www.vernoncole.../thescariestbook1.htm
Good post, yes in some way I suppose that it is some kind of generational thing, ask most of the younger generation and they will most likely say they couldn't care less, in fact they never think about it.
First may I say I have no wish for there to be no Scotland, no Wales, and no Northern Ireland, just the whole lot under the name of England, this is not what I am saying.
But what I am saying is the fact that slowly over the last few years, our politicians and Europe are trying to get the country of England to disappear.
Notice some media commentators, even when addressing a particular English issue, the word English seems to stick in their throats, and they quickly say British.
Don't just take my word for it, if you Google the subject you will find some very interesting reading.
http://www.tomorrowsw...ne55&item=1214895702.
http://www.vernoncole.../thescariestbook1.htm
MarkRae
We are told that England is full up and there is not the room to accommodate anymore people on this island. What those people mean, is that the south east of England is crowded, many areas such as Northumberland are very uncrowded.
Northumberland is the most sparsely populated county in England, with only 62 people per square kilometre.
We are told that England is full up and there is not the room to accommodate anymore people on this island. What those people mean, is that the south east of England is crowded, many areas such as Northumberland are very uncrowded.
Northumberland is the most sparsely populated county in England, with only 62 people per square kilometre.
/// Northumberland is the most sparsely populated county in England, with only 62 people per square kilometre. ///
And a large amount of it is National Park Land, do you wish for this land to be built on?
But apart from this fact, our immigrants are a choosy lot, they only want to settle where they want to.
What do you suggest that we bundle them all into trains and transport them around the country to areas where we wish them to settle?
Then of course if we did this, how would we make them stay there, put barbed wire all around the area, and post guards?
The other alternative is to ship them out to the Scottish islands, (not many people there), and it would be home from home for them just like Calais, they could then spend their time seeing how they could get to the mainland.
And a large amount of it is National Park Land, do you wish for this land to be built on?
But apart from this fact, our immigrants are a choosy lot, they only want to settle where they want to.
What do you suggest that we bundle them all into trains and transport them around the country to areas where we wish them to settle?
Then of course if we did this, how would we make them stay there, put barbed wire all around the area, and post guards?
The other alternative is to ship them out to the Scottish islands, (not many people there), and it would be home from home for them just like Calais, they could then spend their time seeing how they could get to the mainland.
Here is the passage from the Taylor book I referenced earlier... it's the opening to 'English History 1914-45' and it was published in 1965. It kind of overlaps with what we're talking about in this question, but I think it's an interesting passage.
'When the Oxford History of England was launched a generation ago, 'England' was still an all-embracing word. It meant indiscriminately England and Wales; Great Britain; the United Kingdom; and even the British Empire. Foreigners used it as the name of a Great Power and indeed continue to do so [...] Now terms have become more rigorous. The use of 'England' except for a geographic area brings protests, especially from the Scotch. They seek to impose 'Britain' - the name of a Roman province which perished in the fifth century and which included none of Scotland or, indeed, all of England. I never use this incorrect term, though it is sometimes slipped past me by sub-editors. 'Great Britain' is correct and has been since 1707. It is not, however synonymous with the United Kingdom, as the Scotch, forgetting the Irish (or, since 1922, Northern Irish) seem to think. [...] Whatever word we use lands us in a tangle."
'When the Oxford History of England was launched a generation ago, 'England' was still an all-embracing word. It meant indiscriminately England and Wales; Great Britain; the United Kingdom; and even the British Empire. Foreigners used it as the name of a Great Power and indeed continue to do so [...] Now terms have become more rigorous. The use of 'England' except for a geographic area brings protests, especially from the Scotch. They seek to impose 'Britain' - the name of a Roman province which perished in the fifth century and which included none of Scotland or, indeed, all of England. I never use this incorrect term, though it is sometimes slipped past me by sub-editors. 'Great Britain' is correct and has been since 1707. It is not, however synonymous with the United Kingdom, as the Scotch, forgetting the Irish (or, since 1922, Northern Irish) seem to think. [...] Whatever word we use lands us in a tangle."
What Taylor is saying (albeit in a roundabout and flowery way) is that England and 'Great Britain' is one and the same thing, NI & Scotland (and Wales to be fair) offered little in way of securing our empire. Your second post to indicate that Hitler (and I) share the same ideologies is both flattering and ridiculous in equal quantities. I would also like to include Enoch Powell and Alf Garnet as those I shoulder with.
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