what on earth is going on, if people have knives on them then they go out with the intention of using them, something must be done, but im at a loss to know what
gina32 Fri 04/07/08 11:21
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I was watching Linda Robson talking about this on tv and she was saying they should be sent to some sort of borstal and made to do hard graft, not just put in jail where they can lounge about watching tv. Deterrent AND punishment is vital. It's scary, and I worry every time my kids go out now, even though we live in a quiet place.
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Capital punishment. There is no other answer. When a killer knows that he would lose his life as well then he only kills when someone has done something very very bad to him and as a revenge. They do not dare killing for the sake of just checking how sharp their blade is.
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something needs to be done and i agree with keyplus90, a life for a life
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But often the people involved are just children - 13 or 14 years old - and sometimes younger. Would you execute them?
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Would you execute them? Ask this question to the parents of the victim they killed.
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No, I'm asking you and Gina.
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It doesn't matter how old they are, they know it's wrong to kill so they should get what they deserve. Life ! And it's about time that life should mean life, not just a few years.
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Firstly deterrent is useless if people think there is a tiny chance of being caught.
Bring back capital punishment, borstal, flogging - whatever if there's a tiny chance of being caught it doesn't matter.
So stop focussing on punishment and start focussing on detection.
You need spot checks with metal detectors in trouble spots. lots of them.
Yes it takes a lot of man power but that's how you address the problem
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OK. If you ask me then I would do the way my religion tells me. If (God forbid) I am the father of the victim. I will have to see that person myself and try to assess if he /she is regretting really what they have done and giving him another chance would turn him / her around and he /she would become a better person for the society. Because in my religion it is said that take a revenge if you can, however if you leave it to Allah then he is a better decider.
However if I see that person is adamant and not feeling any guilt at all then I would not let someone else’s child being killed by him / her again and would rather put him to sleep.
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Detection is good, but even better to start early, when children are little, by teaching them to respect other people, and by bringing a little discipline into their lives. Perhaps then they wouldn't feel the need to carry knives, and there would be no need for detection.
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Let's turn that around, Keyplus. What if your child, at age 13 or 14, stabbed and killed someone, and clearly felt no remorse. Would you feel execution to be a fit punishment?
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Chances are if a 13/14 year old new the consequences of killing someone would be hanging they probably wouldn`t use the knife in the first place
As for executing a 13/ 14 year old, no-one can truly say they would want their own child to be executed, but if someone stabbed my kids then I`d welcome it
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naomi, i know of a family who have a son who murdered another by stabbing them, they are a very nice family and he was brought up as such, he was always polite and i can honestly say i couldnt bad mouth him, he wasnt perfect by any stretch but then who is, so who knows what happened there
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First of all I would try to do what you said in your own post. Discipline you child. Muhammad (pbuh) said that until the age of 12 your child is a blank paper and you can write whatever you want. That really means that you can teach your child good or bad. Now someone may say that who want to teach their child bad things. Not being able to teach them good is actually that your are leaving them vulnerable to the Bad things.
Then however after that if my child kills someone for no obvious reason, then I would be on the other side of my earlier statement. Yes if I would see that my Son has no intention of getting better and is willing to do it again then I would have no hesitation in accepting his execution. After all double standards are which beings anarchy in the society.
Once a woman brought to Muhammad (pbuh) convicted for stealing and he ordered her hand to be chopped. People said that she was from a powerful family and this punishment may create problem. “Even if my own daughter had done the same I would have given her the same punishment”, He (pbuh) said. He (pbuh) said that societies before you went into trouble and turmoil only because they had punishments according to the ranks. Powerful and family members were ignored by the deciders and poor and vulnerable punished.
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Instead of buying expensive ccct cameras that not always solve crimes but prey on motorists. The powers that be should be putting more resources on the streets, were they are needed most.
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Naomi - what is wrong with you?
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I am certainly not at a loss what to do:
1) Reduce beaurocracy and get coppers back on the beat
2) Dump the failed HRA and give power back to Police, parents and Teachers.
3) Get shot of the hand wringing liberal elite that have infiltrated our Police and judicial system.
4) When caught a sentence that fits the crime. No I am not advocating hangin 13 yr olds but I am 18. If you cant have capital punishment then life shoudl mean life full stop, no parole no min or max sentence. For under 18's clearly there has to be a distinction I would suggest a tier system for murder, and thats what this is, starting from a min 25 years under 16, 40 yers 16-18 and then life.
5) Caryy a life 5 years min. Youth offeners or jail depending on age. Murder someone as above.
6) Jails should be jails and tough. No drugs no fones no playstations. How difficult can it be?
We need to return Britain to the people, but dont look to McBottle to do it and I wouldnt be too sure pf 'Dave' either. We need someone with Balls (not Ed) to sort this out but then of course he/she would be a 'racist' or some other noo labour derorigtory.
All I can say is God help us, whoever your god may be.
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Youngmafbog you illustrate perfectly what I am talking about.
All about punishment nothing about detection.
Take a 17 year old kid who's probably carrying a knife because he's scare shove him in a real tough prison for 5 years and what do you reckon you'll get out.
A) A reformed peace loving individual
B) An adult who's had to be tough to survive and learned from hardened criminals
A recipe for a crimewave - well done.
You have to descriminate between those, probably first time offenders like that and other cases.
That is why mandatory sentences are dumb. It's pretty clear that they don't act as a deterrent and take control away from judges.
As for soft prisons - how do you know?
Ever been to one?
None of the people on this board that have done time have ever said that was the case as far as I know.
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