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Is the halo slipping from the "Non addictive", "Harmless" fluffy Bunny wonder drug?
A prize for the first person to try and change the subject to booze!
Is the halo slipping from the "Non addictive", "Harmless" fluffy Bunny wonder drug?
A prize for the first person to try and change the subject to booze!
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I drink often, I'm drunk now. Mighty blues marching on!
There is socially in this country and dynamically elsewhere a huge difference between drinking and taking drugs, it's obvious in the way that society socialises the two inebriants.
No, I don't believe that by drinking at a wedding etc,. makes you an alchy. There is an uncomfortable reality that is often ignored the drug users that are being referred to and the ones I deal with on an all too frequent basis are'nt occaisonal users, they're smoking it at 7 or 8 in the morning school kids included.
You fail to comprehend the difference between someone with a job and a "life" and the ********* I see day in day out, if they were drunk at such times I'd view them as being equally ******** but to take a drink before lunch (I'd imagine) is a seminal moment, I could'nt, not even at a funeral.
Paul don't be worrying about my mindset please I want to know why you feel you're not treading the path your mother trod? You both have issues with substance abuse, such an experience (on my part) would make me averse to all stimulants, are you sure you're not self medicating to blot out certain feelings?
Please explain the difference between your drug use and her alchoholism?
There is socially in this country and dynamically elsewhere a huge difference between drinking and taking drugs, it's obvious in the way that society socialises the two inebriants.
No, I don't believe that by drinking at a wedding etc,. makes you an alchy. There is an uncomfortable reality that is often ignored the drug users that are being referred to and the ones I deal with on an all too frequent basis are'nt occaisonal users, they're smoking it at 7 or 8 in the morning school kids included.
You fail to comprehend the difference between someone with a job and a "life" and the ********* I see day in day out, if they were drunk at such times I'd view them as being equally ******** but to take a drink before lunch (I'd imagine) is a seminal moment, I could'nt, not even at a funeral.
Paul don't be worrying about my mindset please I want to know why you feel you're not treading the path your mother trod? You both have issues with substance abuse, such an experience (on my part) would make me averse to all stimulants, are you sure you're not self medicating to blot out certain feelings?
Please explain the difference between your drug use and her alchoholism?
Why does it matter to anyone if someone is a recreational cannabis smoker.
I dont smoke -have dabbled but have had more 'whities' than draws so i just stick to booze for relaxatioin.
Lots of my pals are cannabis smokers - they are sound and TBH the only probs they are gonna get are the 'smoking' relaltd ones.
Mental health -yeah there is a connection BUT the mental problem IMO has to be inherent before you start on the cannabis.
I dont have a problem with it at all -no-one harms me and as far as I can see- in moderation -as with everthing else its fine.
I dont smoke -have dabbled but have had more 'whities' than draws so i just stick to booze for relaxatioin.
Lots of my pals are cannabis smokers - they are sound and TBH the only probs they are gonna get are the 'smoking' relaltd ones.
Mental health -yeah there is a connection BUT the mental problem IMO has to be inherent before you start on the cannabis.
I dont have a problem with it at all -no-one harms me and as far as I can see- in moderation -as with everthing else its fine.
The censored words are ar$eh0les and fe ckless respectively.
Drisgirl like drink there is a point when recreational use turns into addiction or abuse.
That point is often lower and happens quicker with drugs than alcohol, I've KNOWN people to go from marijuana to cocaine, L.S.D, ecstacy and speed within 6 months given that relistically a concoction of these drugs can formulate a "session" (or sesh as we say around here) how many people do you know have gone from lager to vodka in under a year on a regular basis. I don't know of any and I've been drinking for a very long time.
Plainly and simply an increase in sobrierty would do Britain the world of good, if we could make food the focal point of our celebrations etc we'd be much better off as a whole I feel. I went to look at a house in Italy (Pied De Luco lovely place) years ago, a group of teenagers came up to a restaurant sat down and ordered food whilst waiting for the local girls to pass by and join them, they'd have a nibble and then leave only for another group to pass. If only it was like that here...
Drisgirl like drink there is a point when recreational use turns into addiction or abuse.
That point is often lower and happens quicker with drugs than alcohol, I've KNOWN people to go from marijuana to cocaine, L.S.D, ecstacy and speed within 6 months given that relistically a concoction of these drugs can formulate a "session" (or sesh as we say around here) how many people do you know have gone from lager to vodka in under a year on a regular basis. I don't know of any and I've been drinking for a very long time.
Plainly and simply an increase in sobrierty would do Britain the world of good, if we could make food the focal point of our celebrations etc we'd be much better off as a whole I feel. I went to look at a house in Italy (Pied De Luco lovely place) years ago, a group of teenagers came up to a restaurant sat down and ordered food whilst waiting for the local girls to pass by and join them, they'd have a nibble and then leave only for another group to pass. If only it was like that here...
Drunken drivers (or high) are a danger to society, agreed? I agree wholeheartedly with that sentiment, if you're drunk or high at the wheel of a vehicle you should go to jail.
I've been to Italy twice (been all over off the beaten track too) and never smelt gange once, I don't know where you get your information from but I seem to recall we're top of the league for drug use, although to be blatantly honest with you I'm not concerned about Italy's drug problem right now. It's certainly not what the question is about.
The Sunday People article was an interview with the man thus afflicted, is his "anecdotal" evidence not compelling enough for you? You're very selective in your reasoning on this, you do drugs, you're ok so legalise them. He did drugs he was'nt ok, he's taliking nonsense, we see people taking drugs, they're not ok and we're uninformed.
Paul I've now answered all of your questions specifically, your smoking weed is different to your mothers' alcoholism, discuss.
I've been to Italy twice (been all over off the beaten track too) and never smelt gange once, I don't know where you get your information from but I seem to recall we're top of the league for drug use, although to be blatantly honest with you I'm not concerned about Italy's drug problem right now. It's certainly not what the question is about.
The Sunday People article was an interview with the man thus afflicted, is his "anecdotal" evidence not compelling enough for you? You're very selective in your reasoning on this, you do drugs, you're ok so legalise them. He did drugs he was'nt ok, he's taliking nonsense, we see people taking drugs, they're not ok and we're uninformed.
Paul I've now answered all of your questions specifically, your smoking weed is different to your mothers' alcoholism, discuss.
Goodsoulette mentioned that she would cut her arm off before using heroin. She then states that she occasionally has a diamorphine drip for pain relief. Dia morphine of course is pure heroin.
123 Everton. having dealt with many druggies during my career I can only agree with your views. It wpould appear that Paulo indulges in selective reading.
123 Everton. having dealt with many druggies during my career I can only agree with your views. It wpould appear that Paulo indulges in selective reading.
Ok, I wouldn't use heroin recreationally. I would have thought that was plainly apparent. Chompu, you try getting through Cholecystitis and having symptoms twice a week. I have had the diamorphine twice, in 8 months, the first was when I first had the pain and collapsed in the bank and the second was when I was at home alone and had to call for help as I was in so much pain. I had an operation on my back when I was pregnant and it was agony but I refused the morphine then, it's not a decision I took lightly.
Also, I lived in Rome as a teenager and I saw drug use amongst teenagers in Rome, Livorno and Calabria. Back in the mid to late 90s Italian teenagers seemed to favour weed and pills. The differenc between here and Italy is their attitude to alcohol.
Also, I lived in Rome as a teenager and I saw drug use amongst teenagers in Rome, Livorno and Calabria. Back in the mid to late 90s Italian teenagers seemed to favour weed and pills. The differenc between here and Italy is their attitude to alcohol.
I don't deny people do drugs abroad, it's just that on my travels in the continent I don't come across it, I suppose if I went to clubland in Spain I'd get offered stuff. But I would'nt encounter it the next day walking around the shops.
The drugs are still illegal, and if you asked him what's best he'd say clean.
You said you're mother had passed away and that she used to drink and that in Bewlays eyes she deserved it.
I don't agree for one moment with the sentiment that she (or others) deserve to die, but either your mother is alive or dead and that drink was an issue.
Making a staement of such, followed by an admission of substance use would lead the casual obsever to a common denominator. Getting defensive, and being evavisive are key indicators of denial which is the first step towards addiction, discuss.
The drugs are still illegal, and if you asked him what's best he'd say clean.
You said you're mother had passed away and that she used to drink and that in Bewlays eyes she deserved it.
I don't agree for one moment with the sentiment that she (or others) deserve to die, but either your mother is alive or dead and that drink was an issue.
Making a staement of such, followed by an admission of substance use would lead the casual obsever to a common denominator. Getting defensive, and being evavisive are key indicators of denial which is the first step towards addiction, discuss.
What ever else might be conjectured about 'drug' use, what it all boils down to is that the freedom to choose implies responsibility of the chooser. Whether a person chooses to drive a potentially lethal weapon while impaired by drugs, alcohol, a lack of sleep or completely sober and lucid and while thus engaged does harm to them self or another person, it is the person who makes such a choice, not their choice, that is responsible for the consequences.
It is the perceived separation between and the failure to recognize the inseparable link between choice and responsibility that creates the false illusion that leads to laws that attempt to link accountability to drugs rather than the choice to do them, obscuring the reality that both the right to choose and responsibility are inextricably and integrally woven into the fabric of reality.
Until we make a commitment to the reality of personal responsibility and quite blaming the consequences rather than the choice we will never get to the root of and eradicate the source of the problem, the reasons why people choose to be ignorant and how they have come to perceive this as bliss.
It is the perceived separation between and the failure to recognize the inseparable link between choice and responsibility that creates the false illusion that leads to laws that attempt to link accountability to drugs rather than the choice to do them, obscuring the reality that both the right to choose and responsibility are inextricably and integrally woven into the fabric of reality.
Until we make a commitment to the reality of personal responsibility and quite blaming the consequences rather than the choice we will never get to the root of and eradicate the source of the problem, the reasons why people choose to be ignorant and how they have come to perceive this as bliss.
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