Why Do Some People Think The Rules Don't Apply To Them...?

[TheChair]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nadhim-zahawi-tax-hmrc-rishi-sunak-b2266319.html

[Hymie]

I posted a thread a few days ago in relation to the latest Tory Minister, caught fiddling – only for it to be deleted.

If you’re not careful the moderators will ban you (and me).

[gulliver1]

Though shall not be critical of the Cons or any of their MPs and definitely not any of their ex PMs on AB

[Canary42]

Ab Rules - OK?

[douglas9401]

Someone may be along soon to detail previous transgressions and how to avoid future sanction in a slightly aloof way as befits their station.

As if this place matters one iota, I only come for the free heat.

[Peter Pedant]

Hi - - me
I posted a thread a few days ago in relation to the latest Tory Minister, caught fiddling – only for it to be deleted.

stop whining mate

you will find someone flying your flag

https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/ChatterBank/Question1824434-2.html#answer-13478153

[Peter Pedant]

er - free hot air, please

[Peter Pedant]

he wasnt fiddling.....
yeah okey dokey - not paying tax - - oh oops look I havent!
and making a 'vol deck' - voluntary declaration
fiddle perhaps

lets just call it an overlooked delay

[ToraToraTora]

it says "avoidance" that's within "the rules" - we all have a duty to avoid paying tax where possible.

[-SharonA-]

Ok, if you worked in the tax office with all it's computerised systems & you saw a bloke on tv earning over £100k per year, wouldn't you have a crafty look to see how much tax he's paying?? And then wonder why it is nil.

[JDavis]

Why a duty, TTT? Prudent self-interest, yes.

[ToraToraTora]

Taxes are as avoidable as the government choose to make them. Our job is to find those avoidance opportunities.

[New Judge]

//Why a duty, TTT? Prudent self-interest, yes.//

I also term it a "duty". Just as you have a duty to pay what you rightly owe, you have duty to pay as little as possible. It cuts both ways. The first duty is to the Exchequer, the second to yourself and your family. Nobody should pay money to the government if they can avoid it. Governments (of all persuasions) are not renowned for their prudence and the less they have to waste the more prudent they might become (though I won't hold my breath). Provided they do so within the law, I applaud anybody who finds ways to reduce their tax bill to the absolute minimum. Most of us don't have too much scope to do so, but those who have that scope and use it draw my admiration.

[Gromit]

Our lawmakers haven’t really been setting much of a good example recently.
I notice our Prime Minister was fined £100 yesterday. Probably claim it on his expenses.

[Peter Pedant]

we all have a duty to avoid paying tax where possible.

no no no - you have a duty to pay tax when it is owed ( the tax man has a right to collect it) and the court will enforce it. duty and right are connected

we have a power to avoid paying tax

I have no idea where NJ was during his lecture on Hohelf and juridical correlatives

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Newcomb_Hohfeld

key quote for slow AB readers

respected jurists conflate various meanings of the term right, sometimes switching senses of the word several times in a single sentence.

[Peter Pedant]

I notice our Prime Minister was fined £100 yesterday. Probably claim it on his expenses.

our grommy-wommy hasnt been paying attention, naughty growmmy wommy

I notice our Prime Minister has to pay a fixed penalty £100 yesterday. I am aware it is unlawful to claim it on his expenses against tax

ahhhhh that is much better.

[nicebloke1]

People employ accountants to find ways of paying less tax.
People don't have accountants to find ways of paying no tax.

[andy-hughes]

As I understand it, the size of the penalty is giving rise to demands for an enquiry into the matter.

If penalties are pro rata for the tax not paid, then it suggests that the avoidance may have been large enough to require investigation into possible criminal intent.

I would imagine that anyone attracting a penalty of that size will have legal council of sufficient heft to be able to see of HMRC's representatives.

That said, the fact that an investigation, should one be forthcoming, does not bode well for the gentleman's reputation, and perceived suitability for government office.

[ynnafymmi]

Up here in Scotland,a couple of times Nicola Sturgeon was found out not wearing a mask during the Covid lockdowns,did she recieve any fines,did she recieve any police warnings?Did she heck.One law for some and another law for others.

[Deskdiary]

I too am of the mindset that everybody should use all legal means to reduce their tax burden and to only pay what they are required to pay.

I can assure everybody, with 100% certainty, that I am am better at using my money than any Government is.

It always makes me wryly smile how people get irritated when somebody legitimately avoids tax; it's only ever other people who don't pay enough tax isn't it!

There's not a single person who would rather pay £100 in tax if they can legitimately pay £50....but if there is such a person, I've got some magic beans to sell them.

Anybody who has an ISA is legitimately avoiding tax.

[webbo3]

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/furious-dad-blasts-school-after-8056024
So how about this for a silly decision, surely any decent smart coat will do so as long as the rest of the uniform ia school branded, I imagine the coat will be removed once in school and can be worn anywhere.