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exarmy448 | 12:47 Wed 23rd Dec 2020 | News
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Whenever Boris appears on TV to talk about Brexit he always refers to the EU as 'our friends'.
When will he realise that the French and Germans have never been , or ever likely to be 'our friends'.
The latest evidence of this the French President making political gain over the latest Covid set back.
Throughout the EU's dealing with Brexit negotiations they have been out to screw the UK for everything they can. Friends do not do that.
Boris, stop calling them our friends, because friends they are not.
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//To much of Europe and the world Brexit - if we want to mention that - looked like us starting an argument in an empty room,..// That's for two reasons. Ikky: Most Europeans have a different psyche to us and they cannot understand why anybody would not want to participate in the wonderful "European Project." They don't understand that the majority of the...
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ich, what has France to do with the Berlin airlift?
the EEC was formed for the purpose of closer trade ties, the EU has morphed into a whole different ballgame. It was De Gaulle our so called friend who stopped us from joining for so long. It was heath a Europhile who joined on the dotted line.
Well, 59 years.

Most wars are between neighbours. So sensible neighbours try to think of ways to accommodate each others differences.
That is one reason why these trade talks have been so fraught, We are moving from a position of having done just that, albeit imperfectly, to pulling apart, and it has actually fed the myth that we are enemies. If we are not careful that myth might become closer to fact.
"ich, what has France to do with the Berlin airlift? "

They definitely part of it (and even if they hadn't been they would have been on the same side)
59 years? 1948 The Berlin Airlift so 72 years ago.
Ich, seems that the three French planes were more of a hindrance than a help.
//Thus, take-offs and landings of the French planes, regulated by the Control Tower, were carried out between those of the American planes which, sometimes, caused a certain discomfort in the rhythm supported by the latter.//
France were invaded by Germany, they were neighbours friends supposedly.
As I said above: neighbours very often to to war.
It's because they are neighbours very often.
Just like with people.
Sorry I was mixing up the Berlin airlift and the Berlin Wall.
Same principle though. By the late forties there was a more serious enemy
we have been at war or loggerheads with France for centuries.
I'm not sure who you think are our friends then.
The US?
We were at war with them more than once.
The Dutch?
Last country to successfully invade Britain so I guess we need to keep in with them?
Back in August ...

BBC News - Coronavirus: France to be added to UK quarantine countries
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53773914
///Indeed they do, much of it because they have a lot bitterer experience of war than we do.//

Do they? Why is that then? As far as people in the UK are concerned the most recent large scale rumpus (WW2) was a matter entirely caused by the German government of the day. Any objective assessment of WW2 would reach the same conclusion. It plunged the entire continent and most of the rest of the world into six years of the worst conflict the world has ever known. So why should mainland Europeans' experience of it be any more bitter than that of those from almost anywhere else?

The world is not simply divided into "friends" and "enemies." There are those in between which are neither and France is one of them. It is a relationship of mutual - sometimes reluctant - tolerance and one which is based mainly on geography but little else. If you think they are happy at our leaving the EU you only need to examine the fuss they are making over potentially losing their right to plunder UK waters of almost as much fish as they can carry (much of which is sold to the UK).

If one thing has emerged from the last few days (something that I've been concerned about for years) it is that the UK - and indeed the rest of the EU - is foolish in the extreme to depend on the French to facilitate free passage of their goods across the Channel. That facility can be withdrawn at the drop of a hat whenever anything upsets the French and threatens what they see as their entitlements. It happens time and again - usually courtesy of French fishermen blockading their ports. Both the UK and the rest of the EU need to work on an alternative model of transporting people and goods between them which does not rely on the goodwill of the French because it is too easily and readily withdrawn.
One of the reasons behind the Act of Settlement in 1707 was to prevent the restoration of the catholic Stuart monarchy to the Scottish throne and a renewal of the Auld Alliance.
we have been allies with the Americans who kindly gave us their support during two wars, not sure about now.
Ich, the Dutch invasion never happened.
//Soon after the Dutch invasion operations of 1666 had failed to materialize, the English dealt their enemies a critical naval blow//
NJ, good post.
The Dutch invasion most certainly did happen. The elite Dutch blue guard spearheaded a huge invading force.

In the end King James fled, ironically, because he might otherwise have won. Dutch protestants were desperate to establish a protestant monarchy and their invasion was a huge gamble, but ultimately a successful one.
Of all the nations in history the Netherlands must surely be up there for countries punching above its size.
A bit off the subject, but I do find it really funny :0) that the Germans are supplying us with the two cheapest supermarkets in our country. We Great Britain being fed by the Germans. :0)))))))
in trade Teacake, they don't do it for nowt.

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