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Hymie | 09:09 Sat 12th Dec 2020 | News
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It looks like we are going to war with our European neighbours.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55283489
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Joan of Arc may have won a few battles but she lost the war.

England won the Hundred Years War? Now that is news. You'll be telling me Britain won WW2 next, while the rest of the world is well aware it was the Americans and Russians.
I wonder how many of these "glad we are out" posters have a holiday home in France. Wouldn't think they would be very welcome on their next trip out.
Or the motor home brigade.
> The UK asked for a Canada style deal, the EU dont want us to have that, do you ever ask yourself why?

Even if the UK had not been part of the EU, given the size of its economy and its location relative to the EU, it would never be offered a Canada deal. The Canada deal suits the EU when dealing with a country with the location of Canada and an economy the size of Canada's. The only people who have ever suggested we could get a Canada deal are Brexiteers. Can you believe it, it turns out they were wrong - but the smarter ones, the ones whose personal hedge funds will benefit from a no-deal, were not wrong, they were just deceptive.
i have always enjoyed my trips to France, sure that many will continue their sojourn to visit our gallic neighbours.
Togo ; A good little history lesson there, to which may I add that Napoleon won one or two battles - Marengo (without which we wouldn't have, Chicken Marengo!), Austerlitz, Ulm etc, but never a war, ending up being incarcerated on the island of Saint Helena by those feisty Brits, - so watch it Macron!
//Neither Canada, Australia nor anyone else has benefited from 40 years of close alignment with European trade and common market alignment//

Hardly surprising is it. Who has apart from Germany and France? The whole rotten ponzi scheme was dreamt up to stop them going back to their non stop wars and dragging us all into them. The whole aim was to make them reliant on each other, not the rest of us who had spent decades pulling them from each others throats. Even the Euro was rushed into being because France was petrified that the German mark would decimate the franc after the collapse of the Soviet bloc and the reunification of East and West Germany which was likely to create an industrial giant. Particularly after they themselves had manoeuvred Germany into a position to be an industrial powerhouse in return for the wine, cheese, and butter monopoly. All done of course to weaken the British ability to be self sufficient and independently prosperous. Encouraged by the 5th column anti British that never forgave us for defeating Hitler we were encouraged and stupid enough to pay handsomely, for decades, for the abuse and ill will from the two pillars of malevolence.
after covid jno, sure they need the British tourists as much as we need them
There are detriments as well as benefits. We have paid considerably for 40 years of close alignment with European trade and common market alignment. We were told it was a trade agreement, in reality it was empire building.
The initial EEC was closer trading ties, fine as far as that went, but people didn;t see that some had other ideas, a closer tie than just trade.
Discuss that with other Europeans and they'll insist that was the plan all along. But in the UK any suggestion of it was denied and dismissed as fearmongering. The government of the day has a lot to answer for, not that many are still around.
Does any Brexiter believe that Boris Johnson himself believed in the benefits of Brexit?
Presumably.
But they might be in for a shock if so
Boris was not elected to enact his beliefs, we put him there because he was the one who could get us out and he said he would. That is what elected officials do you know. They do what the electorate put them there for . I am sure that is a new concept for you, all things taken into consideration.
I’m not of course talking about “getting us out”
All he had to do there was hold a vote in Parliament.
I’m talking about what is going on now.
What sort of a prime minister plays to one gallery knowing full well that it will be damaging
We don't mind how much he damages France, and the rest of the EUSSR, if they want to play silly beggars. The more the better for most of us. Geddit?
ichi: //What sort of a prime minister plays to one gallery knowing full well that it will be damaging//
Because the cause is important. What it seems the EU has been doing for the last 54 months is to put differently coloured hats on the elephant in the room that is sovereignty in the hope it goes away. One has to ask, do they really know what it means, (or you, for that matter).

Losing sovereignty; losing the freedom to make laws, or even the freedom to copy someone else’s laws if you choose to, is an item which the EU's seems to refuse to address. Plenty of people have tried to blame Boris Johnson for his intransigence in Brexit talks. But when it comes to the issue of sovereignty it is hard to fault him for sticking to his guns.
I thought it was funny when Sky news today said we were facing the EU with massive military force. Sounds more like Stalingrad than four of 29 boats.
It feels like trying to start a fight in an empty room :-)
How is defending our sovereign waters "going to war"?
it isn;t spungle, over e

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