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Do We Need Tougher Cycling Laws?
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After this case there have been calls for tougher cycling laws but I don't think we need them, we just need to more rigorously enforce the more than adequate ones we have. Eg stop riding on the pavement, through red lights, no lights, no brakes, non road bikes etc. All we have to do is get serious with what we have not introduce more to ignore. This guy was riding an illegal bike for example and should not even have been on the road. Lets start prosecuting cycling offences.
After this case there have been calls for tougher cycling laws but I don't think we need them, we just need to more rigorously enforce the more than adequate ones we have. Eg stop riding on the pavement, through red lights, no lights, no brakes, non road bikes etc. All we have to do is get serious with what we have not introduce more to ignore. This guy was riding an illegal bike for example and should not even have been on the road. Lets start prosecuting cycling offences.
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Just returned and seen your post Gness, I think the cyclist should pay Liability Insurance, as said Tax is paid by the motorist to the Exchequer, I am not anti Cycle but I am with safety may it be a Car / Cyclist / Pedestrian, we have them this end as I'd seen on my travels today, cutting a blind corner, yes motorist do this on many occasions but they do have protection.x
\\ A bicycle creates no emissions so what do you think they should pay?//
I just believe if you use something you contribute to the costs, motorists pay out money which they wouldn't have to if they didn't own a car, therefore they are paying to use the road. Cyclists use the road so why shouldn't they contribute ?
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A study by the European cyclists federation states that cycling is responsible for CO2 emissions of 21g per km. Compared with a car which produces 271 g, it isn't a lot but if the cyclists paid the equivalent percentage in money then at least they would be contributing something and that's all I ask.
I just believe if you use something you contribute to the costs, motorists pay out money which they wouldn't have to if they didn't own a car, therefore they are paying to use the road. Cyclists use the road so why shouldn't they contribute ?
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A study by the European cyclists federation states that cycling is responsible for CO2 emissions of 21g per km. Compared with a car which produces 271 g, it isn't a lot but if the cyclists paid the equivalent percentage in money then at least they would be contributing something and that's all I ask.
Who is going to enforce them?
Police barricaded within walls?
Live near to a main road upon which cars regularly speed
Not seen an actual police person for years
Our pavements are inundated with adult cyclists and adults with scooters which I thought were for children
Where am I supposed to walk safely?
Police barricaded within walls?
Live near to a main road upon which cars regularly speed
Not seen an actual police person for years
Our pavements are inundated with adult cyclists and adults with scooters which I thought were for children
Where am I supposed to walk safely?
There's a great deal said about the so called 'Road Tax' - VED.
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On the issue of improving cycling, I agree with a lot of what has been said by others - better education and training, stricter enforcement of the laws and improvement to the cycling infrastructure that not only protects the cyclist but pedestrians and other motorists too.
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On the issue of improving cycling, I agree with a lot of what has been said by others - better education and training, stricter enforcement of the laws and improvement to the cycling infrastructure that not only protects the cyclist but pedestrians and other motorists too.
Cyclists use the road so why shouldn't they contribute ?
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(Sigh) For the hard of understanding, every cyclist who is a taxpayer DOES contribute. I own a car and I cycle(as I'd hazard a guess 90% are cyclistst/drivers) so by your method should we charge pedestrians for crossing the road or runners/joggers too for their use of the highway?
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(Sigh) For the hard of understanding, every cyclist who is a taxpayer DOES contribute. I own a car and I cycle(as I'd hazard a guess 90% are cyclistst/drivers) so by your method should we charge pedestrians for crossing the road or runners/joggers too for their use of the highway?
Vulcan, simple answer is buy a car that doesn't pay for a VED licence.
Pedestrians use the highway and emit CO2 perhaps they should be registered and charged accordingly.
I have no qualms about being registered to use a bicycle on the road. As a taxpayer and a car owner I think I already pay sufficient tax to cover costs to repair/maintain highways
Another query is who will cover the increased costs involved in licensing bicycle users? Taxpayers of course.
Pedestrians use the highway and emit CO2 perhaps they should be registered and charged accordingly.
I have no qualms about being registered to use a bicycle on the road. As a taxpayer and a car owner I think I already pay sufficient tax to cover costs to repair/maintain highways
Another query is who will cover the increased costs involved in licensing bicycle users? Taxpayers of course.
Not being condescending, just blowing a big hole in your argument.
I could run a marathon tomorrow and not pay any tax either....
Oh wait, I already contribute to the upkeep of the UK's roads because I'm a taxpayer!!
I wonder how those who neither drive nor cycle feel about paying tax towards the upkeep of the highways?
I could run a marathon tomorrow and not pay any tax either....
Oh wait, I already contribute to the upkeep of the UK's roads because I'm a taxpayer!!
I wonder how those who neither drive nor cycle feel about paying tax towards the upkeep of the highways?
I couldn't do anything legally about the cyclist who nearly knocked me down when I was crossing the road. Green man, allegedly safe for pedestrians to cross the road and cycled through the red light, which was allegedly to stop the traffic.
Couldn't do anything cos there was no number plate on the bike to report it.
Couldn't do anything cos there was no number plate on the bike to report it.
> So why did you introduce the car analogy in your initial posts on this thread?
That was on topic (laws for cyclists), replying to jno's post just above mine that he would not have had to face the same charges if he'd killed her with a car.
Nothing at all to do with the nasty motorists / Road Tax / VED hobby horse, which started with this innocent question:
gness> TWR ... May I ask why you, and so many others, are saying what changes cyclists should make and so rarely considering any changes motorists could make?
The correct answer to this was "Because the thread is about cyclists and nothing to do with motorists" but TWR unfortunately replied "I understand there are some aggressive motorist out there, & at times the aggression is caused by the inconsiderate cyclist that pay nothing for using the road but expect everyone else to get out of their way, that's my views Gness xx"
And then the derailment followed.
That was on topic (laws for cyclists), replying to jno's post just above mine that he would not have had to face the same charges if he'd killed her with a car.
Nothing at all to do with the nasty motorists / Road Tax / VED hobby horse, which started with this innocent question:
gness> TWR ... May I ask why you, and so many others, are saying what changes cyclists should make and so rarely considering any changes motorists could make?
The correct answer to this was "Because the thread is about cyclists and nothing to do with motorists" but TWR unfortunately replied "I understand there are some aggressive motorist out there, & at times the aggression is caused by the inconsiderate cyclist that pay nothing for using the road but expect everyone else to get out of their way, that's my views Gness xx"
And then the derailment followed.
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