Ashers Bakery Lose Same-Sex Cake Appeal

[Islay]

Common sense at last, they run a business if you bake a cake in Liverpool colours does not mean that you support Liverpool!

They were in the wrong and its about time the accepted it.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/live-updates-ashers-bakery-lose-samesex-cake-appeal-35154967.html

[mikey4444]

DB...I am merely pointing out that, legally, you were wrong at 15:31.

Its been proven by the Court, that it WAS unreasonable. That is the verdict of the Court. Get over it.

[mikey4444]

I am not sure how the message that was required on the cake transgressed the bakers religious views at all. If the gay couple had asked for something like "Jesus was a ****" than I could understand it.

But why are some Christians so exorcised about some other people do or don't do in bed ? What business is it of theirs ?

I have used the following example before ....

It reminds me of the joke about the old lady that dials 999, from her high-rise flat, complaining about the young man in the flat opposite, who is exposing himself out of the window.

The Police arrive and find the old lady sitting on a chair by her window, weeping copiously into her hankie.

The Police look up and down and left and right, but can't see anything amiss at all.

"Oh no" the old lady says" you have to stand on the chair to see him ! "

[-Talbot-]

I knew this case would eventually end in tiers for the bakery.

[joeluke]

Only in Uber Politically Correct Britain could folk get so het up about something so trivial

So if a landlord refuses to serve a customer because he thinks the punter has had one too many isn’t he discriminating against *** people?

Also jno ‘(Why shouldn't an Arsenal fan refuse to bake a cake in Liverpool colours?)’

……he wouldn’t because both teams play in red and white

[joeluke]

^p155ed

[pixie374]

Some things are legal to "discriminate" against and some aren't.

[237SJ]

I tend to agree with Joeluke.

[andy-hughes]

joeluke - //Only in Uber Politically Correct Britain could folk get so het up about something so trivial

So if a landlord refuses to serve a customer because he thinks the punter has had one too many isn’t he discriminating against *** people?

Also jno ‘(Why shouldn't an Arsenal fan refuse to bake a cake in Liverpool colours?)’

……he wouldn’t because both teams play in red and white

Thank you for proving my ‘So’ rule once again – you have prefaced a post with the word ‘So’, which is required when you want to completely miss the point of the debate.

//So if a landlord refuses to serve a customer because he thinks the punter has had one too many isn’t he discriminating against *** people? //

No, he is considering the customer’s health and well-being, the health and well-being of his other customers, and the health and well-being of his licence.

This entire case – and the debate around it is about discrimination in legal terms – it’s about a couple who have broken the law by discriminating against people on the basis of their sexual orientation, which is illegal.

Refusing to serve a drunken customer is advisable, but it is not discriminatory in the eyes of the law, so your comparison doesn’t work.

[andy-hughes]

belladonner - // I doubt anyone was really offended. Its an excuse to cause a fuss and play the discrimination card. The bakers fight back with the onward christian soldier brigade funded by the church and no one really wins except , as usual, the Lawyers.

It’s not about being offended, it’s about discrimination, which is against the law.

It is not ‘playing the discrimination card’ – it is about ensuring that a law designed to protect people from prejudice which has been specifically outlawed, works properly.

And yes, the lawyers make money, but more importantly we all win, as a society, because this case demonstrates firmly and fairly that laws must be kept, and you cannot flout them simply because applying them flies in the face of your religious beliefs.

[andy-hughes]

divebuddy - ////laws must be kept, and you cannot flout them simply because applying them flies in the face of your religious beliefs. //

Of course, that isn't entirely true, is it. Halal slaughter of animals for instance. For some reason the law is prepared to make an exception for that purely on religious grounds. //

An absolutely fair point - and for the record, I entirely disagree with exceptions being made to UK humane treatment laws in this way.