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"but there's a world of difference between understanding a religion, and understanding it's followers.".
I would expect a true Christian to follow the example of Christ, SP. Jesus said things like "Love thine enemies and bless those who persecute you". He gave us the parable of the Good Samaritan. He said to those about to stone the adulteress "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone".
I would expect a true Muslim to follow the example of Mohammed. The Apostle of Allah did NOT love his enemies - he beheaded them, enslaved their children and raped their wives.
I would expect a true Christian to follow the example of Christ, SP. Jesus said things like "Love thine enemies and bless those who persecute you". He gave us the parable of the Good Samaritan. He said to those about to stone the adulteress "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone".
I would expect a true Muslim to follow the example of Mohammed. The Apostle of Allah did NOT love his enemies - he beheaded them, enslaved their children and raped their wives.
naomi24
I'm having difficulty in understanding your proposals. They seem like a Band Aid on an open wound...with the plaster on completely the wrong limb.
Closing down Islamic schools?
Do you think that would prevent the spread of radicalisation? Perhaps - but don't you think that the bigger problem is the Internet, where kids can go to hear hate preachers and watch their twisted rhetoric 24/7?
I don't think that your proposals are with merit, but they are based on an emotional reaction (which TOTALLY makes sense right now). The problem I have is that much of what you propose will simply make a lot of people angry without any kind of benefit in terms of security.
The one thing I can understand is your idea of locking up terror suspects. But then we start getting into the realms of 'Minority Report'. It seems like an attractive idea, but since 7/7, it seems that British security services have done an awfully good job keeping us safe.
Is it not possible that behind the scenes, intelligence-gathering operations and interception of planned attacks are predicated on the lone wolves being tracked? Put them all behind bars and they will be replaced. Monitor their associations and activities and use that against them before they have a chance to act.
Banning halal meals in prison???
For heaven's sake.
This is Britain, not Brazil.
I'm having difficulty in understanding your proposals. They seem like a Band Aid on an open wound...with the plaster on completely the wrong limb.
Closing down Islamic schools?
Do you think that would prevent the spread of radicalisation? Perhaps - but don't you think that the bigger problem is the Internet, where kids can go to hear hate preachers and watch their twisted rhetoric 24/7?
I don't think that your proposals are with merit, but they are based on an emotional reaction (which TOTALLY makes sense right now). The problem I have is that much of what you propose will simply make a lot of people angry without any kind of benefit in terms of security.
The one thing I can understand is your idea of locking up terror suspects. But then we start getting into the realms of 'Minority Report'. It seems like an attractive idea, but since 7/7, it seems that British security services have done an awfully good job keeping us safe.
Is it not possible that behind the scenes, intelligence-gathering operations and interception of planned attacks are predicated on the lone wolves being tracked? Put them all behind bars and they will be replaced. Monitor their associations and activities and use that against them before they have a chance to act.
Banning halal meals in prison???
For heaven's sake.
This is Britain, not Brazil.
v_e
Really...?
Want me to post some Biblical tenets, just to establish how Christians should lead their lives?
Want me to pull up some details on how slaves should be kept, or when it's okay to rape your wife, or exactly how much you can beat your wife up?
Let's not get into a debate on which religious text is more abhorrent, because books written by committee thousands of years ago, cannot possibly wholly relevant to our lives today.
Really...?
Want me to post some Biblical tenets, just to establish how Christians should lead their lives?
Want me to pull up some details on how slaves should be kept, or when it's okay to rape your wife, or exactly how much you can beat your wife up?
Let's not get into a debate on which religious text is more abhorrent, because books written by committee thousands of years ago, cannot possibly wholly relevant to our lives today.
"Want me to post some Biblical tenets, just to establish how Christians should lead their lives?
Want me to pull up some details on how slaves should be kept, or when it's okay to rape your wife, or exactly how much you can beat your wife up?".
Yes, please do. I'd love to see the bit about Jesus chopping somebody's head off. Mind you Peter did slice off an ear. And of course advocating wife-beating.
Your bit about committees and relevance show how ignorant you are about both Islam and Christianity. Christianity (and Judaism) have a body of Biblical scholarship which examines the origins, authorship and compliation of their holy texts. Very few modern Jews or Christians think that the darker passages of those texts to which you allude are prescriptive or eternally binding. Islam, on the other hand, has no such critical tradition. Muslims believe the Koran to be the LITERAL word of God. which has existed for all eternity. The prescriptions of the holy texts and the example of the Prophet form a comprehensive ordinance governing all aspects of life. The Sharia is binding for all time. \it is suspicious of innovation. There have been modernists in the Islamic world, but it's a very dangerous occupation. I doubt there's an imam in the whole country (even in the Ahmaddiya community) who believes the Koran is the work of a committee. In fact the assertion would be viewed as blasphemous by most of them. Your friend DTC doesn't seem willing to stick up for you, but maybe Peter Pedant (who's a polymath) will do you (and me) a favour by explaining where I've gone wrong.
Your conviction that there's a broad equivalence between the two religions is based on prejudice, not on knowledge.
Want me to pull up some details on how slaves should be kept, or when it's okay to rape your wife, or exactly how much you can beat your wife up?".
Yes, please do. I'd love to see the bit about Jesus chopping somebody's head off. Mind you Peter did slice off an ear. And of course advocating wife-beating.
Your bit about committees and relevance show how ignorant you are about both Islam and Christianity. Christianity (and Judaism) have a body of Biblical scholarship which examines the origins, authorship and compliation of their holy texts. Very few modern Jews or Christians think that the darker passages of those texts to which you allude are prescriptive or eternally binding. Islam, on the other hand, has no such critical tradition. Muslims believe the Koran to be the LITERAL word of God. which has existed for all eternity. The prescriptions of the holy texts and the example of the Prophet form a comprehensive ordinance governing all aspects of life. The Sharia is binding for all time. \it is suspicious of innovation. There have been modernists in the Islamic world, but it's a very dangerous occupation. I doubt there's an imam in the whole country (even in the Ahmaddiya community) who believes the Koran is the work of a committee. In fact the assertion would be viewed as blasphemous by most of them. Your friend DTC doesn't seem willing to stick up for you, but maybe Peter Pedant (who's a polymath) will do you (and me) a favour by explaining where I've gone wrong.
Your conviction that there's a broad equivalence between the two religions is based on prejudice, not on knowledge.
sp1814
naomi24
//sp1814
naomi24
You might know Islam, but you don't have Muslim friends.
Not in the sense that I understand the word 'friend'.//
Yes SP and your muslim friends are perfectly normal who aren't radical at all. Why they even drink their Bacardis and Coke with you. We know.
That means diddly. Efes beer used to sponsor the Turkish National Basket ball team. Raki is distilled in our Muslim/Tunisian/Terrorist's country as well as a few other muslim countries.
You base your trust because they drink alcohol?? God help the naive.
I.S. terrorists are also shaving off their beards and mingling with so-called immigrant asylum seekers swarming through Europe.
naomi24
//sp1814
naomi24
You might know Islam, but you don't have Muslim friends.
Not in the sense that I understand the word 'friend'.//
Yes SP and your muslim friends are perfectly normal who aren't radical at all. Why they even drink their Bacardis and Coke with you. We know.
That means diddly. Efes beer used to sponsor the Turkish National Basket ball team. Raki is distilled in our Muslim/Tunisian/Terrorist's country as well as a few other muslim countries.
You base your trust because they drink alcohol?? God help the naive.
I.S. terrorists are also shaving off their beards and mingling with so-called immigrant asylum seekers swarming through Europe.
Russia seems to have a lid on extremists.
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just for anyone who might have been in any doubt, here's confirmation of the involvement of ISIS in the events in Nice; now being reported via ISIS's de-facto News Agency, Amaq:-
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When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.
(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
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